I'm called "Me" and the Christian is named "t." We talk about many issues in March of 2010. My words are in bold. This is a great conversation.
t: tim
Me: hello
t: is julius caesar the origin of the caesar title?
or the iaser?
kaiser?
Me: He's the origin of the modern title.
t: so not augustus?
Me: Augustus lived after Julius Caesar was assassinated
Augustus was Julius's step nephew.
t: is caesar
a surname?
originally a surname
?
of julius?
Me: No
t: so caesar is not a part of julius' name?
Me: no
His surname is Gaius.
t: do you think it is offensive to say quran is not true?
Me: I think it's not as long as you're not being disrespectful.
t: israel must have been a special nation notice the great powers
beside her
yet untouched
Me: right
t: obama humiliated benjami nethayanu?
Me: I think they disagree on the Middle Eastern question.
It's not necessarily a humilitation.
Obama is more moderate in the Israeli/Palestinian question.
Nethayanu is more conservative.
t: what does depopulation mean
are there any conspiracies related to this?
Me: Depopulation means you use a method to basically kill or exterminate human beings.
Depopulation is shown in the conspiracies of the Holocaust.
Many globalists calling for millions of people to die.
The massacres during the French Revolution, in Sudan, and other nations.
t: have you wacthed the movie 300?
Me: No, I have not.
I've seen commercials about it.
t: xerxes the lord of asia
Me: Xerxes looked effemiate.
t: whats that?>
Me: Effemiate means unmasculine.
This is why us in America call the opposite of masculine.
t: does america agress with
pediatristic lovers?
the
Me: No
t: common bond used by knights?
Me: Most Americans from across the political spectrum hate pedophiles
That is why we have very strict laws against such evil.
t: but it is once a teacher student relationship[
....
Me: There is nothing wrong with a bond, but not pervesion.
t: im shocked alexander
is gay
Me: I think many people knew that.
t: maybe not in his time?
Me: Alexander died in his 30's.
t: i mean
gayness does not
apply in his own era
its just recent
Me: It depends .
Homosexuality was very common place in the Greco Roman times.
So, Alexander's gayness wouldn't be uncommon.
t: i mean
homosexuality is not appliable to the ancients
they dont call it gay
my prof scolded
me
bec i told him
alexander is gay
he replied
alexander's homo is not applied at 326 bc
iuts natural
Me: I guess your professor doesn't know all of history.
It's easy to see that many sex acts done by homosexuals are unnatural.
t: he said it is normal nothing prejudicial
Me: People back in those days opposed it.
t: even the greeks?
he said that
alexander's gayness is ok with his culture
that time
Me: Not every aspect of every culture is righteous.
Child killing was common in Greco Roman culture.
That doesn't mean that this is moral or right.
It's wrong.
t: ahhhh ok
people today are saying that time its legal
and todays standard are not appliable that time
perversed notions
Me: Universally held moral principles exist irrespective of time.
So, there are always moral truths that exist in the past, the present, and the truth that will remain.
t: one time people even compared zeus to god the father?
Me: Why so?
t: bec
both are
long haired old men
?
Me: oh
t: people
mistakened
zeus is like God the father ala sistine chapel
Me: right
t: obama seemed
unique compared to other president
his policies are totally out of place
Me: How so?
t: abortion?
Me: Barack Obama is an extremist on abortion.
t: pro arab
?
socialist?
Me: There is nothing wrong with being Pro-Arabic.
As God gave Arabic people many gifts in the world from math to calligraphy.
It's a problem to be pro-Muslim extremist.
I'm pro-Arabic people and pro-Jewish people as all humans are created equal with great value.
t: i mean
he is a bit anti israel
Me: He's a moderate, not anti-Israel per se.
He wants Israel to exist, but Palestine to be a nation gradually.
Nethayanu is more conservative.
t: you like palestine to be a nation
Me: Yes
t: is it too dangerous?
Me: I believe all people have a right to self determination.
This doesn't mean I want Palestine to be a nation in Israeli territories.
t: pls elaborate
Me: It wouldn't be dangerous if nationhood is done in the right way.
Palestinians like any group have a right to have nationhood if they desire it.
Israeli and Palestine side by side can improve each others economic state and cultural development.
That's common sense.
Obama and Bush believe in this goal.
t: but they are radical they bomb
Me: Who are they?
t: hamas?
plop?
Me: A small minority doesn't signify the majority.
t: plo?
Me: The PLO is futile in power.
Hamas is a radical sect.
I don't agree with Hamas since they accept radical ideologies.
Most Americans are moderate on the issue except people like John Hagee and racists that hate either Jews or Arabs.
t: are u in favor of a welfare state?
Me: What do you mean a welfare state.
t: like in europe
Me: The Constitution promotes the general welfare of the people.
t: pay taxes
and the govt
will do everything
Me: I don't believe in the government controlling everything.
I do believe in a safety net to help the poor as we do have in America.
I believe in compassion which is one of the things that MIke Huckabee got right.
t: is it by reading the bible you can get the govt right?
is that true?>
Me: The Bible says that individuals can help the poor.
Jesus Christ said that.
The government is made by and for the people.
The government in the Constitution have laws that promote taxes, building roads, and promoting the general welfare of the people.
I'm not a reactionary.
I'm not a reactionary.
Article I, Section 8 has it.
Why not help?
I think in 2010, my views on economics has become more populist and I thank God for waking me up about these things.
t: how to be humble?
should we remove the notion of
selfhood
to be humble?
Me: It's more complex than that.
It's more important to help other people than be selfish, but at the same time, you should embrace your personal individuality.
We shouldn't act like a robot in our lives.
t:
buddhist said remove the notion of
selfhood so you can be
egoless whats your take?
does removal of
selfhood harbors humility?
Me: Egos exist even if you're an ascetic.
We should remove selfishness, but selflessness.
t: egos like?
selfless for them is losing the sense of self
Me: Egos include things like selfishness, evil, etc.
I think we shouldn't lose the sense of our self totally because we should embrace our individuality.
We should never be ashamed of what we are or what we come from at all.
t: is it impossible to remove
By Timothy
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My debate with Kashta Bureh on economics.
Kashta_Bureh wrote:
Timothy...did you just issue me an intellectual challenge? I accept, let the duel begin....
First off, Capitalism IS predatory and I never said it wasn't. Competition among humans is a reality, humans compete against each other to separate the winners from the losers, the strong from the weak. Competition is a necessary part of evolution because it allows the species to improve over time.
Humans are competitive from birth. If you read the book Sperm Wars, you would know that if two men ejaculate in a woman around the same time, the sperm of the two males will literally wage war and try to destroy each other, and the "victorious" sperm will impregnate the woman. This is a FACT of evolutionary biology.
So, just as sperm wages war, humans wage war against each other in business, sports, and politics. Capitalism is nothing more than an economic system which is a reflection of man's competitive drive.
For you to blame Capitalism for the problems of the Black community is just as stupid and ridiculous as blaming guns for gun violence. Guns don't kill people, people kill people, and the studies show that in communities where people own guns, crime actually goes down. The studies also show that Capitalism is the only system that works. Communism and Socialism never work.
Blacks got exploited by the Europeans because Europeans were just more cunning and sophisticated. Africans loved to fight each other and sell one another into bondage and the White man took advantage of this system. On top of that, the Africans stupidly invited Europeans into Africa and sold millions of slaves to him....are you denying this historical fact?
Kashta_Bureh is seriously wrong on many issues. He is only right that African Americans should create more businesses and have more efforts to build up the black community. First, he talks about Capitalism. He obviously wants to use the economic system of an oppressor as a justification to promote his own self interest. Vulture capitalism (as opposed to a regulated capitalism, which I have no serious qualms with) is materialistic, ruthless, and selfish by its own nature. That's reality.
How can a person be selfish when the collective improvement of your own people is beyond the interests of self. The working for self only limited your own human capacity and community agendas. Capitalism that's unregulated is obviously predatory and has been instrumental in the derivatives crisis, the opium wars against the Chinese people, and the international slave trade. Competition among humans is a reality, but humans for thousands of years have used safeguards to protect humans too (like environmental and labor standards. Even the most reactionary person accepts some regulation among capitalism as beneficial). In life, there are those living the good life and those who are less fortunate. Just because some people are poor or exist with disadvantages, doesn't mean that there is little chance for them to improve themselves. All people have value. Someone poor or middle class may have a better character and a more social enriching life than a super rich person indulging in immorality (with a guilt complex).
As for women and sperm wars, I have no issue with this since males and females biologically want the best fit as a partner. This isn't immoral nor evil at all. Competition exists, but you omit that rational reforms can evolve over time. For example, once we had infanticide in the Roman Empire in a common way. Today, we don't have it in the West in a large fashion. So, just because competition is a reality, doesn't mean that rational human reforms are non-existent.
So, we should do our best to help those people in extreme poverty or suffering to benefit everyone. Since, long term if radical improvement of our standard of living is a reality then more people will benefit from reforms. Everyone realizes that humans are competitive. Yet, this doesn't mean that humans lack the intellectual stamina to develop a better, more fair society. That is why social reforms came after the New Deal to radical improve the USA economy in a mixed economic fashion. So, yes I do blame cartel capitalism for many problems in communities (not all problems). If the glorious cartel-capitalism system was so great, why has the global finanical crisis occured since 2007. This crisis occured for many reasons and one was that there was the unregulated, speculative derivatives market (which was a fruit of cartel-capitalism, not regular capitalism per se). There is no evidence that unregulated capitalism works. Studies, literature from Krugman, and others prove that a mixed economy works better than pure Communism or unregulated Capitalism. You know this. Dr. King and brother Malcolm X exposed that trash economic system with ease. Forget that using the means of an oppressor in order to be malleable. There are alternatives to unregulated capitalism (like cooperatives, dirgism, etc.) that can build businesses, have technology, have fair trade, and other means of economic development.
Even the expert Ian Fletcher like many economist populists don't want total free trade neither a totally closed economy, but rational protectionism (that understand that we need trade without economic exploitation). This subject has nothing to do with gun violence as I agree with a man owning a gun in his own home.
Ayn Rand has been discredited and Rothard has been discredited. Newsflash, Austrian economics don't work as been exposed by mainstream economics. As for the slave trade, you demonize your own blood like a borderline traitor. Yes, some Africans did indeed sold their own people to slavery. Yet, Africans didn't organize the trade routes. They didn't create the ships. They didn't create the auction blocks in the West. They didn't even invent the international slave trade. This was done by Europeans for the most part, so they share much responsbility for it (beyond just Africans). These are historical facts. Do you deny it. Some Africans should of been more sophisticated and cunning to defend themselves against these imperialists. No one denies that, but this doesn't mean that hope should be gone. You have a very pessemistic personality, which causes you to even reject your own AA female kin when you haven't even met every since black women in the world or in America. I've met AA women looking better than Beyonce or Lisa Raye treating an intellectual black man with dignity and respect.
Like I've said before, don't tempt.
I'm a sleeping giant.
This is strike 2 brother.
By Timothy
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Yes, I do agree with some of the views of the Tea Party. I'm sick and tired of these social programs, I'm sick and tired of poor people who can't hold up their slack and then hard working people like me have to pay taxes for their lazy asses. Tim, it isn't the job of the government to provide "social services," that is what the private sector and charities are for.
At least you are honest. The Tea Party are the revival of the reactionaries from the past. I love real social programs. I do believe in banning social services among those that don't need it. If you're an able bodied person and you don't need these services, you shouldn't get them. Everyone is sick and tired of fraud and corruption in these programs. Cutting fraud and waste in these services can save a lot of money (including ending military aggression worldwide). Yet, I don't believe in eliminating all social programs, because some people need them and I don't believe that those living in extreme poverty should starve to death in society. Many of the poor aren't lazy, but suffer in bad socioeconomic problems. It's the government's job to promote the general welfare of the people. Article I, Section 8 says that the government can use cash and dollars to build roads, infrastructure, have a postal system, and other services to benefit the people. So, promoting the general welfare is fine with me. Private sector and charities can only go so far in handling poverty. That is why I advocate a comprehensive solution of private and public avenues. The upper class rich are paying record low taxation. Combined this with record income inequality, the super rich should have little to complain.
We don't need Social Security, Welfare or Medicare, and Social Security is nothing but a Ponzi Scheme. The government forces you to pay into it but now the fund is empty and no money will be there when I become a senior. So basically, the social security fund is a fraud.
We do need Social Security, some welfare, and Medicare. The reason is that these items aren't some Ponzi scheme. Social Security is known to exist as a surplus. Politicians have stolen funds from them to advance their own agenda. Medicare helped tons of seniors to have insurance. Welfare have radically decreased the poverty rate. The poverty rate is higher because of the recession (which is caused by numerous reason). The Social Security fund is still intact. The liar Peterson wants you to believe that Social Security. The New Deal increased American standard of living in unheard of heights in USA history.
Like I said, Blacks have an entitlement mentality and this is why they love Welfare, WIC, the Democratic party, and other social programs. I despise these programs. Every dollar I own or make came through hard work, sacrifice, and discipline, nobody has ever given me sh*t. And I have no respect for losers who grovel to the government for hand outs because they're too stupid and lazy to fend for themselves.
You are right that black people shouldn't embrace a radical dependency on the government. This encourages laziness. Yet, there should be balance (you make some social services exist for those that need it alone not anyone else). We can still love legitimate enterprise and collective efforts to solve our problems. Without balance, communities dissipate. Also, every human have had assistance one time or another in life. Even when you're young, you've either have gotten an allowance or your parents temporarily funded your livelihood until adulthood. No everyone is experience the exact same life pattern or lifestyle. There is why certain safeguard are instituted to benefit those disadvantaged. It's like this: if a whole bunch of people are poor, that's bad for business long term. If you have policies that decrease the poverty rate, then that's great for business and economic renewal. I don't take welfare, but I don't knock another man taking it if they legitimately need it. Also, many programs aren't handouts since there are strong prerequisites before you're given the GI Bill, and other benefits. Nothing is given for these folks for free.
By Timothy
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Tim...is that the best you can do? There are so many holes in your argument above that I can fly a 747 through it. First of all, the current economic system in the USA isn't "Capitalism," how can the USA be Capitalist when we have a central bank called THE FED that regulates the economy? In a truly Capitalist system there would be no Fed, there wouldn't be a central bank, and before 1913 the USA didn't even have a Federal Reserve.
I love how you use the word "collective improvement" when referring to Blacks. See, this is why the Black community is not rising, these moron Black nationalists and activists believe in "collective improvement." These men don't understand, as you apparently don't, that all humans are inherently selfish and only care about themselves, and this goes for Blacks as well as Whites and other ethnic groups.
The difference between Whites and Blacks is that Whites can come together out of pure self interest to build a company like Microsoft, while Blacks can't even get along. Are you naive and foolish enough to think that Blacks will come together out of the selfless need to do so? It will never happen.
I respect Malcolm X on many things but when it came to Capitalism he had no idea what he was talking about, and I reject the view of him, Stokeley Carmichael, and the Black Panthers, whom embraced Marxisim. All their views on Capitalism was flawed.
Every other group has benefited from Capitalism yet for some reason Blacks are the only group that have failed to do so, instead of blaming Blacks, you blame Capitalism. Then you talk about Capitalism being predatory........yes, it is, and I never said regulations shouldn't be passed to protect the environment, etc these are all side issues which are you attempting to use to divert me from the main topic, which is the effectiveness of Capitalism.....and the inability of Blacks to adapt to it.
Tim, you are digging your own grave, you should cut your loses and end this engagement with me while you're still ahead. First off, mainstream economics is BS, it is mainstream economics that got the USA into this financial mess, not AUSTRIAN ECONOMICS.
By mainstream economics, you're referring to KEYNESIAN ECONOMICS, and this school of economics embraces a central bank. Well, we're following the theories of Keynes, and if his theories are so great, why is the USA and world in a massive financial crisis?
Austrian economics is the only system that works, and when America followed it, America was strong. This school advocates THE GOLD and SILVER STANDARD, which means you don't have a central bank constantly printing funny money. Tim, do you like the cost of your food, housing, energy, and education costs going up? This is what happens with "mainstream economics," because the central banks keep printing funny money, but they couldn't do that if we were on a Gold or Silver standard.
Now, on to the slave trade. Africans were MORE responsible for the slave trade than Europeans because THEY LET IT HAPPEN. I know it is hard for you to accept this fact. Listen, the Europeans were outsiders, it was Africans that invited them into Africa and sold them slaves, and it was Africans that allowed themselves to be duped by Europeans, so stop trying to excuse their stupidity.
The Africans were dumb as f*ck 500 years ago and they still are today, if not, why do they let foreign corporations mine their minerals and get rich while they wallow in poverty? After all the White man has done, why do African nations STILL go in debt to the IMF and World Bank, which are White run institutions?
The answer is because Africans are dumb, selfish, simple, and easily manipulated. In fact, the history shows that Africans helped the Europeans build forts on their coasts, now how stupid is that? What fool lets a foreign country build a military base on their land without a fight? Only Africans.
Tim, the REAL reason why Blacks have failed to adapt to Capitalism is not because Capitalism itself is bad, it is because Blacks don't know how to work together, we have an entitlement mentality, and we believe in a "brotherhood" with other races.
Capitalism is a system that rewards groups of people who are tight knit and who can work together. This is why the Japanese, Chinese, East Indians, and Koreans do so well. These groups are tight knit, have strong group loyalty, and block outsiders from exploiting their community. They also don't have an entitlement mentality.
Blacks can't work together to save their lives. Take Africa for instance. To the typical White man, there is no difference between an Igbo, Somalian, or a Hutu, they are all Black in his eyes. But Africans have this retarded tribal mentality where they divide themselves based on their tribe and ethnic group, and they even fight each other over it, as the Hutu and Tutsi did.
This is why Africans are easy to conquer; they are easy to divide. Diaspora Blacks have the same weakness. Capitalism works against Blacks because Blacks can't work together and Capitalism is a system that requires groups to operate with harmony and efficiency.
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Kashta_Bureh
My Response to Him:
Now, this isn't the best that I can do of course, since a single forum doesn't display all of the intellect of a person. There are no holes in my argument. You use deception and use ad hominem attacks including distortions to promote that archaic Austrian economic system. The current USA system isn't capitalist and people realize this. So, why do you want us to embrace unregulated capitalism when it has been disproved in history (from the Middle Ages onward). I don't agree with the existence of central banks controlling every aspect of the economy. I believe that government should coin and print our money since the FED is an independent agency anyway. Even before 1913, there was the error of the Gilded Age. This era had the epitome of lassiez faire capitalism. The characteristics of this era included child labor, record economic inequality, labor rights violations, and other harm done to workers. After the New Deal and after the Great Depression, massive reforms came (that wasn't apart of mainstream capitalism or Austrian propaganda) that caused Americans to experience record economic growth. It was only with Reagan and Bush Jr. that the wild west economic philosophy came up again and this influenced the current recession we have in this country. You believe in regulations, but that's a cardinal sin in Austrian economics. See, Austrian economics accept nearly no regulations (even labor or environmental standards as oppressive to the free market). So, by definition, you are violating the adherence to your economic gospel. YOu have a limited persepctive since you think a lot of things in black and white. You can still have individual and collective efforts to solve problems.
As for Central banks, etc. that's irrelevant since even before all of that unregulated, laissez faire capitalism with no regulations haven't brought any massive economic growth at all in the poor class. You can't cite a source to prove that. I didn't know that collective improvement was a curse word. Individual and collective are necessary for the advancement of the black community. For example, I can be limited in what I can do by myself. Yet, if I and others work together in a collective effort, I can do more to build education, health services, businesses, etc. All humans aren't perfect and humans can be selfish at all. This doesn't mean that humans have no chance to improve themselves in better conditions in a society. That is something that you ignore in order to fulfill some reactionary thinking process (you want cunning and sly behavior, which I have no issue with. Yet, you can have a self-interest without selfishness. You can still believe in ruthless actions with ethics to benefit blacks too). You have naivety and I hope. That's the difference between me and you. Right now, there are black businesses and black companies. We have to take this to the next level. Although, I do have hope. Strong intervention and strong standing up among black men and black women can inspire a generation to be more apt for change instead of nihilistic, evil behavior. Possibilities are endless for the future. This has occurred in throughout human history, so Blacks can do it (with strong intervention done by Black themselves. More leaders should spark the brain of people to change. If Malcolm X was once a thug, pimp and he changed, then anyone can change).
I don't believe in Marxism for its ethical relativism and its promotion of too much state control of our economic systems (limiting any form of private initative). Capitalism that's without order and safeguards is a trash system that doesn't benefit black people at all. The reason is that it causes a gulf of economic inequality and it promotes a non-concern for the betterment of blacks among all classes. It's a divide and conquer mechanism to divide AA people instead of promoting more unity. Many black people have benefited from our current economic system. I don't blame vulture capitalism for all of the problems in our community neither do I blame blacks collectively. I blame many things like corruption, problems in the black community, an inferior economic system, and other reasons. Have you looked at Colin Powell, black scientists, black doctors, and black people among many fields before (who are making some differences in the black community in this system). Your problem is that you legitimately expose problems in the black community, but you don't offer much inspiration for blacks (especially if the black person is suffering) to succeed. You have no hope for your own race in America. I don't try to divert, I'm transparent with my words. Many blacks can adapt to a fair economic system that is mixed. You intentionally ignore alternatives to laissez faire capitalism like systems in Europe (that have higher HDI rates, higher educational rates, etc. than America. These European nations aren't on that Austrian economic tip). You do this, so blacks can follow some Austrian economic tripe. There is nothing wrong to adapt in a real fashion for self improvement. No one is arguing against people. People just disagree with supporting some fraudulent economic system.
On economics, you and the Tea Party are akin in thinking. Even the Glass Steagall act (another regulation) being repealed from 1999 contributed to the recession too. Austrian economics is about ending Social Security, cutting nearly all of the social safety, cutting nearly all regulations, etc. in order to grow the economy. How do you cut services, cut even necessary spending in our infrastructure plus educational system, and promote some gold standard to grow the economy? It doens't. The FED is a privitaized system that issues currency. This privatized system have caused economic havoc.
Brother, this is 2 strikes and a half. This is Varsarity stuff here. Not, JV. Don't get brought to field and get a safety.
Also, it's a shame that the IMF and the World Bank support corruption in Africa. I support real Africans wanting reforms not sellout Africans sucking up to the IMF or the World bank at all.
By Timothy
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Here's responses that I've made to a person bashing Black women (He isn't Kashta. I believe now that this person is a troll, because of his language. Trolls are used more in the net to try to divide BM and BW, yet this isn't going to work):
You don't know what game recognize game means?
I meant in that instance that some brothers use psychological tactics of pity (in a form of game) in order to go out with females. I recognize that game for what it is, hence game recognize game.
I don't believe in using force to prevent dating options. I'm not a hater. Yet, all of us as BM should at least have a positive repport with females of our own race. A man is a disagrace if he paints a broad, stereotypical brush against his own people. All BW aren't monolithic. The stereotype that BW are all monolithic (in hating smart brothers, being overly aggressive, etc.) is the old lie and slander that is utilized to disrupt BM and BW Unity. I've seen this lie over and over again. People are tired of it. If a man shows confidence, assertiveness, and a sense of direction in lie, believe me, the women will come. As a man, we should always respect a woman saying No. A woman saying No isn't the end of the world. It's a stereotype that you promote again that black women don't like intelligent, eccletic interests having brothers when many black women like a vareity of BM (in various forms of personalities, appearances, and outlooks in life).
Attractive? So-called beauty in a woman is in many things. Just because a woman isn't looking a Eurocentric looking Barbie doll, doesn't mean that a woman isn't attractive. I rather go out with a sister with strong African features (with a dark skin complextion) with a heart of gold than a person looking like a fake Barbie doll with a bad personality. If a person hates you, you should strive to not let others dictate your life choices.
If a person tries to mess with you, you have every right to stand up for yourself. You should be unshamed of your tastes, interests, etc. Gravitate that personality to the world in a socially mature way and sisters will respect you. Sisters respect honesty and they are intuitive. If you fake the funk and promote some phony tough guy image, then the sisters detect that in an instance. Yet, if you are honest about yourself (and not care about what others percieve you as in a negative way), you develop your soical skills in an advanced way, and you are active to hang out with sisters with similar interests that you have, then a relationship has a higher chance of working.
There are millions of sisters worldwide, so there are plenty of sisters with dynamic personalities, intellectual maturity, strength, and wisdom that brothers can accept.
It's not about changing to fit to the world's standards. It's about appreciating what skin you're in and to stand up for yourself. Our race stood up for us. We have every right to stand up, be strong, and never let the world get us down. As I've mentioned, you shouldn't be disrespected in an unfair fashion. Yet, you can't expect every AA women to be attracted to you. Some AA women will be attracted to you and some will not. That's life.
By Timothy
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C/s
Why is this hard to understand. We BM need to go out more with around the way women or the so-called average woman. We should never be too shallow to kick it with a regular sister. I rather go out with a regular sister than dream of some fantasy woman.
YOu've got grown men whining on the NEt. People are tired of it. If you're a grown man, then be a man and handle your business. I don't care what people think about me. I just handle my business and I never demonize black women or blame black women for my own issues.
I'm accountable for my own errors and the things that I've did correct in my life. Also, millions of black women exist worldwide with a multiple array of personalities, interests, etc. Simply, if a man (regardless of appearance) that has confidence, stands up for himself, has social skills, is trustworthy, is outgoing, etc. then that person wouldn't have serious issues going out with a woman.
We should treat each other with respect, but we can't set up unrealistic expectations for romance. It's best to go out with people with similar interests, similar career choices, or similar personalities. As for those males going out with non-BW for selfish reasons, that's not right. I'm not doing that stuff. I'll stick with my own people for romance. Also, not all non-BW act like some Cinderella queens. Look at Tiger Woods, Toomer, Montell Williams, Michael Strahan (he's with a decent sister now), etc. to see the files. They have gotten took to the cleaners and these non-BW wanted Greenbacks from these brothers. If a black man prop up non-BW above BW (from a social or cultural standpoint), then there is something wrong with that person.
By Timothy
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I do believe if you are a grown man especially, I wouldn't scapegoat women for nothing in my life.
There are non-black women that hate ecceltic interesting black men and I've known some of them. Just because some people may have mistreated you back in the day, doesn't mean that black women collectively are one way. In my life experience, I've met tons of black women that have treated me with dignity and respect. Also, I've seen white and Hispanic women act stuck up, arrogant, mean spirited, and down right disrespectful.
The answer to this problem is both respecting people's legitimate preference for attractions and promote more respect among the black community. A black woman has the right to go out with who she wants (and a man too), but all black people should learn to respect each other even if some people aren't attracted to you.
You can still unite with a woman for black causes and black unity even if a woman isn't romantically attracted to you.
See, the problem among some BM is that some of us feel that we are entitled to a woman by birthright (and nothing else). We aren't entitled to dominate a woman. We give our respect and give our best foot forward to honor a woman. I would not lay up with a non-BW to prove some point nor to seek vengeance (
since some of those non-BW checking out low self esteem brothers see them as a charity case or a social pet not as an equal member of the human race).
For me, I'll still go out with Black Queens for a relationship. I don't agree with anyone whether male or female being disrespected or mistreated in life. Yet, as men, we will have to learn confidence building techniques to improve our own lives without throwing BW under the bus.
By Timothy
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Once again I've refuted you before and you still act in a stereotypical mode.
Now, Tiger is with some of his people when it's convenient. When the media put pressure on him (when the matter is just a personal matter), he was scared and sucked up to the establishment to try to preserve his trophy relationship. I really don't know if they loved each other. You don't either conclusively. What went on behind closed doors is still not totally known. Tiger married that woman for obvious reasons and you and I know the reason. Tiger did control the much of the relationship and he thought that she was just another ignorant woman (that would do nothing about his adulteries).
As for you words about your experiences, I will take you word for it. Also, you made the error that you assume that I believe all people in your position are self hating traitors. NO, I said some people like you not every single person like you. A person who is a little overweight can be attractive in many instances. One simple example is that both Tocarra and Jennifer Hudson (before their weight losses) were attractive. They are attractive now too. Queen Latifah isn't ugly. Kim Coles, Kimberly Locke, Chaka Khan, and Monique aren't ugly. You must be tripping. As for you saying you don't place all black women into a box, I can respect that. I don't hate non-blacks. I just place trust in my own people and I don't place non-blacks as culturally or socially superior to my own race. That is all. I have solidarity with my race. You have a right to disagree with my views and that's fine. I have a right to disagree with your views too (like most black women hate intellectual black men when you haven't met every single black woman worldwide). I never said that every black male dating IR is a self hater, but some are. That's the truth.
Stop worrying about the past? I knew that were your agenda all along now isn't it. You don't want us to worry about the past, using the past in a constructive framework can ascend our people into a better future. YOu learn about the past, so you have a geniune cultural linkage with your own black race. You have the right to look for romantic love everywhere and I have the right to respect everybody as an equal, but have a special romantic bond with black sisters. I don't need to lay up with a non-black person to prove my equality or be politically correct. I'm equal since conception period. As for the can't relate part, my meaning is transparent. I meant to write that a BW knows more about my struggles, my life, my culture, my history, my lifestyle, and my thinking much more than a non-BW can. That's the whole truth. Being from the Chi area, you ought to know better.
By Timothy
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This is my last response to you on this issue since we will agree on some issues and not on others.
Now, I've refuted much of what you have said. I've refuted your lie that most
black women hate blacks who are intellectual, that blacks who are like you must date outside of their race to find happiness, etc. Now, you place silly lies and demonize
sisters like Toccara, etc. as ugly. That's your view and I disagree with that assumption. You offer no evidence how or why Toccara, Kim Coles, etc. are ugly. I wonder why? You must think that beauty is very limited to a low size or a limited perspective. Beauty is diverse in many sizes and that is a fact.
You offer no real solutions for blacks for low self esteem (except for date IR or find a needle in a haystack). Real solutions among blacks is for black men with trouble dating women is for black men to gain confidence, learn social skills, communicate with sisters in a wide spectrum of locations, and learn about their own history with a positive insight. That isn't hard to ask. As for Tiger Woods, it's obvious why he married her. He married her because he's attracted mostly to white women and he is rich. That's true since the vast majority of women going out with him were white from childhood. Celebrities guard their images and that is feasible, but Tiger admitted (you realize this) that he felt entitled and arrogant as a motivation for the acts of adultery by his hands. I don't know if Tiger or his wife loved each other since I don't understand their romantic
business like that. Tiger cracked under pressure since he's a punk and an adulterer. He should of handled his business behind closed
doors.
I realize you are not a stereotypical person that hates all black women. Yet, you use your observation as a sole determining factor in assigning a generalization on the majority of black women. That is precisely a futile observation on your part since you haven't met or known every single BW in the USA or worldwide. Tons of BW in America have a diversity of interests, personalities, are intellectually mature, fun to be around, etc. Also, real AA women aren't neddles in a haystack. They exist in the
malls, educational places, parks, restaurants, business locations, rural places, in the streets, and other locations plainly speaking. I don't lump you with other guys blaming all black women for this or that. I didn't say that all BM struggle harshly. I have mentioned that BW know more about BM, black culture & the black historical experience than non-BW, which is true.
You have the right to date who you want to and I have my right to love who I want to (which are sisters alone).
By Timothy
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My new words in April of 2011 about this issue:
Not every AA woman have sex with thugs. It's kind of ironic that the same people claiming to be so nice and good use some of the most wicked invective against AA women. Black people among both genders have issues and problems. That can't be denied or obfuscated. The solution for our problems as a people isn't bomb throwing or throwing AA women under the bus. The solution is for all black people to
communicate with each other, we must love each other, we must fight against the evils in our community, and we must unite to make our Black people rise up into the next level of cultural & moral growth. We have to have a sense of the arts and intellectual growth too (like
math, science, technology, etc.).
See, I view a woman basher and a thug as equal threats or enemies in our community. The thug is wrong for promoting nihilism and other forms of wickedness. The women basher (who lies and claims to be the "
nice guy") is wrong since this person over exaggerates incidents and project false stereotypes against all AA women. Some of them use these stereotypes as an excuse to go IR. Many of them are consumed with low self-esteem.
As men, we can't excessively whine about women. That action isn't a
definition of real manhood. Real manhood is taking responsibility, standing up for ourselves, and being able to help those that need help in an altrustic way. For if we whine in an immoral
fashion about women, we disrespect ourselves since we came from women via birth. So, the reasonable solutions are to be active in our
communities to help our people, to fight against evils, and to confront thugs, women haters, and bullies (in inspiring these people to change their own ways). You can't say I'm the nice guy and do nothing to help out your own community when the going gets tough. We as men have to live by our words and
show no fear of any human by being strong (to stand up for legitimate black liberation). We have to love AA women like we love ourselves. Just because some AA people have problems, doesn't
mean we gloat over our own people. We be active to confront evil and form plans to build up Black people.
By Timothy
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The notion of decent black men doesn't need to be redefined. If a BM or a BW stays in the sidelines and doesn't do a thing to solve problems among their own people, they aren't decent to begin with. Most people have always agreed with that for a long time.
It's that certain people use that reality (of some black people being co-conspirators to the ills in our community) as an excuse to demonize all BM (and BW too) in a slick fashion. If one thing needs to be redefined or eliminated is the stereotypes made against any black persons (both males and females) doing the right thing as being soft or weak. That stereotype should be scrapped. Evil black men are a problem, but it's more than them. Historically, many BM caught up in a bad lifestyle have changed their lives and developed into righteous people just like tons of BW doing the right thing.
It's a system that promotes corporate corruption, economic disparities, and other damaging influences in our community. I believe in personal responsibility like the next man, but not personal denial of corporate evils in the world that contribute to the evils in Western society. If you want things solved, you have to be comprehensive in dealing with building up self confidence among outcasts & the poor, creating radical programs, protesting, and working toward more dialogue so solutions can be made.
Without black men and black women uniting in trying to find solutions, nothing changes.
Certain people (especially among sellout blacks that don't want to deal with their own people or have hatred agaisnt BM or BW) want permanent tensions among BM and BW in order for the status quo to remain.
We should end tensions and develop real resolutions (like gang intervention, promotion of health & fitness, programs to fight against violence, creating avenues to develop intellectual pursuits, promote real forms of the arts & music among our own people, develop financial security and assistance toward our own people, create radical acts now to fight back against evil, and have outlets for blacks especially with ecclectic tastes to feel at home with tolerance) in our lives for the the sake of our ancestors.
-By Timothy
