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George Hilbert
9 hours agoSaturday, February 9, 2013
Tuesday, October 30, 2012
On Republicans
These are my answers to a great person who wanted questions answered on politics. This person's questions are the following:
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My answers are the following:
Your first questions involve many controversies. The reality is that many decent black men have children with decent black women. I have male black relatives that have children with wonderful black women. Thugs are thugs and they make up of only a minority of the black community globally. Most black women aren’t into thugs, just men. Thugs in a lower socioeconomic background usually have children with those in the same socioeconomic background. We can talk about thugs all we want (I don’t agree with the thugs’ actions. Some folks obsess with thugs as a means to slyly demonize black women and I abhor that). Yet, if we want solutions, then we have to put the money where our mouths are. We have to go and work in independent programs to help our people, especially our people who are poor. If a person is a decent black man, he doesn’t need to be a fake Nino Brown, but he can just be a man and handle business (and the women will respect you for it). Also, most black people understand the difference between a good black person and bad black person. Western society glamorizes evil on many evils (as classifying bad as righteous or vice versa). Henceforth, some black people try to imitate wickedness as a means to confirm to mainstream Western society (which I see sometimes in my city).
Many black people ignore racism, because some black people are apathetic, some deny it, and others try to minimize discrimination today. Although, most black people know what time it is and know who the enemy is. People say the words about today’s Republicans being massively different from yesteryear for numerous reasons. Republicans back in the day were more progressive (or they wanted human rights to be given to humanity or they desired more government intervention in order for problems to be solved) than the Democrats (back then, they were allied with opposing civil rights policies in the 19th century). It flipped in the 1960’s since the former Dixiecrats moved increasingly into the Republican Party (in response to the Voting Rights Act & the changing of American society. America is more progressive than decades ago). Nixon’s Southern Strategy sealed the deal in allowing many racists into the Republican Party. Some black churches remain Republican, because they want to hold onto a conservative religious agenda. Many black religious centers are socially conservative, while economically liberal. Therefore, to some churches, the Republicans' supposed conservative ideologies appeal to these religious leaders. I think most black people love religion, humanity, relationships, and black history. It’s just that the mainstream media expresses nefarious stereotypes against black people.
Big corporate interests present the lie that most black people lack empathy or lack emotional maturity. Black Republicans exist for numerous reasons. Some Black Republicans like Clarence Thomas and even Mia Love (I disagree with them obviously) feel that some in the black community harbor hatred toward them because of their eclectic political orientation. They are Republicans as a means to feel at home culturally & politically, but they are still oppressed under the same oppressor. Some black Republicans are religiously conservative and others believe in Austrian economics and find the Republican Party appealing for economic justifications. Some blacks are Republicans since they want some old school type of living to be the norm in American society. Some Black Republicans just hate their own black heritage since let’s keep it real and funky right about now.
-By Timothy (Me)
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LBJ was one of the Democrats who opposed the Civil Rights act in the 50's. When he signed it into law in '65 he is also quoted as saying " By signing this bills we have made a built in voter block that will never leave us " . And you haven't and what's it gotten you? Destroyed family units, poverty, welfare, murders, ghettos, unemployment and nothing in return. Be a good slave and vote for the Democrats, who are still the slavemasters.
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Your words have been the same words that have been used in order to maintain laissez faire economic policies, which don’t work to build up society comprehensively. Also, brothers and sisters here aren’t brainwashed. I am an Independent brother. Many sincere black people are Democrats, Republicans, and Independents. Just because a black person is more progressive or more conservative doesn’t mean that that brother or sister are some slave to either of the 2major parties. We know what Dr. King would think on some issues, because we show you his quotes, ideas, and ideologies. You hate it since many of Dr. King’s words in opposition to war, in promoting a radical redistribution of economic and political power, his critiques on capitalism, etc. goes against your Tea Party dogma. I think Alveda King is a very sweet, intelligent sister that loves black people. I think she is wrong in allying with reactionaries like Glen Beck though. I believe that she is wrong on some issues (like on economics). Republicans regularly inject race in their campaigns in calling blacks to have personal responsibility when most blacks accept personal responsibility. They inject race via their controversial comments (from Santorum, Gingrich, etc.). This doesn’t apply to all Tea Party and all GOP members, but some of them. Where is the modern evidence (in 2012) of Al Sharpton and Jesse showing extreme racism? Al Sharpton supports voting rights; he opposes police brutality, and wants freedoms. You can disagree with him on many things, but on those issues, he isn’t presenting racism on those topics. Al Sharpton expressed regret on some of his errors of the past. I don’t support Sharpton on every issue, but he is better than an O’Reilly or a Limbaugh type. Jackson is rather not in the spotlight as he was in times past.
The black community is awaked on many levels. Every day, people in the black community are having voter registering drives, fighting for education, fighting crime, promoting the beauty of the black African phenotype, and fighting against war. Collectively, my black people are fighting for improvement and justice period. You just deny that since you want black people to accept 19th century thinking in a near 22nd century world. Also, no one here worships Democrats. No party is perfect, but we realize the massive imperfections in the GOP (from advancing bellicose war mongering to supporting anti-voting policies). You want all Americans to accept your philosophy. You may want all Americans to do well, but you want blacks and all people to accept your reactionary views. You can’t have your wish since people have the right to disagree with you in a cogent, tolerable fashion. We don’t need privatization of all resources in the world to be free. We don’t need theocracy to be free. We don’t need austerity, xenophobia, and Islamophobia to be free. We just need human rights to spread unto all backgrounds in order to be free. We need both public and private resources in order for us to be free. The mainstream media is dominated by corporate/CFR interests, so a real person doesn’t unconditionally trust the corporate-sponsored mainstream media at all. You have the right to be a Tea Party adherent and I have the right to accept individual/private power and collective/public power to help society.
By Timothy (Me)
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54 minutes agoMy Response:
This is fun. You know that the game isn't over yet. Well, it's about to be. I don’t misinterpret your words. Your words are rather transparent. You blame black people for rejecting the GOP mostly and then you try to use historical revisionism and slick tactics in trying to force guilt unto black people in trying to make them Tea Party adherents. It won't work because doubling down on trickled down will not massively stop poverty at all. Just because Al Sharpton talks about race on MSNBC, doesn’t mean it’s an example of him expressing racism. Dr. King talked about race in exposing racism. Also, Sharpton’s words’ about voter suppression, evils in the political system, and exposing corporate corruption are accurate. You cite no examples of Sharpton playing the race card in 2012 explicitly. Racism and discrimination are ever real in society and you just deny it. You cite no evidence on how Sharpton doesn’t support voting rights, real freedoms, and ending police brutality. I didn’t say that the man is perfect. Supporting Barack Obama is his right. I believe the President is right on some issues and dead wrong on others. I don’t just don’t have a hatred of the man. Folks who hate the man have immorally denied his citizenship, called him lazy, questioned his intellect, and slandered his name (and his family like the coward Glen Beck. Beck had to apologize for disrespecting the President's daughter). Some GOP people even disrespected the beautiful, intelligent Sister First Lady Michelle Obama. This isn't representative of all GOP members or all Tea Party individuals though. The anti-voter ID laws are bigger than possessing an ID, which you already know. These anti-human rights laws decrease the days in how people can achieve early voting, many people have been falsely eliminated from voting rolls, and some of these laws have been struck down by courts all across America. The Voter ID laws force people to have a government issued photo ID when other documents are sufficient in order for folks to vote. Studies prove that some of these laws will negatively effect the young and the poor. Millions of U.S. citizens don't have a government issued photo ID in the realm of 11% of all U.S. citizens.
Many pro-Republican groups put up inaccurate billboards about voting laws as well. Black people have victories in Ohio and other places too on this issue. Studies prove that voter fraud presently is very minuscule which doesn’t make it necessary for these oppressive laws to exist in the first place. Also, not one reasonable person wants non-U.S. citizen human beings to vote in American elections. Where did you get that perception from? These people who are non-U.S. citizens are still human beings and they should be afforded equal respect. Why do you cite Rodney King and Denny? No one is talking about both men here. Most black people don’t agree with what happened to both of them. Your implication that some blacks massively lack empathy of the suffering of non-blacks is telling. People are talking about Dr. King. 2 wrong don’t make a right, but the white supremacist system exists (as exposed by crammasters and other qualified black scholars). You reactionaries ignore white supremacy and racism since you want to live in your world of trying to make black people docile & submissive under your way of thinking when dealing with white people. The Patriot Act and other unjust laws deprive our freedoms. The TSA abusive acts deprive our freedoms. The evil Drug War policies and the stop and frisk situation deprive our freedoms as well. Documented voter suppression in recent times deprive our human freedoms. We have the right to promote our civil liberties period. Also, slavery is still here in the world despite it being banned overtly & legally in America. Native Americans living today didn’t experience the colonists oppressing them, but they received compensation in recent years. The legacy of racism still exists in our time and black people have the right to oppose oppression (whether it's from police brutality to discrimination). Just because you don’t own a slave doesn’t make it a justification for you to refuse to expose racism or ignore white supremacy.
Injustices still reign in society like a 6 year old sister being killed by a crooked police officer in Detroit. Also, you cite the imperfections in other cities as a means to blame blacks collectively, which is ignorance. These problems are caused by socioeconomic problems, laissez faire economic problems (these economic policies increased the debt during the Bush years. What people in Chicago need isn't your way of privatization of all resources, but a holistic approach of both public and private services in making reforms in the city. You have to spend money in investments in fighting for change, not just individual initiatives), the Drug War, etc. not by the essence of black humanity. There are those in Chicago fighting for reforms and you discount or minimize their efforts. Also, many mostly Republican areas in the Deep South have poverty, record divorces, educational problems, meth addiction, and other problems. My people don’t make up most of the pedophiles, serial killers, corporate criminals, and imperialists in America. Guess which people? Also, many black people have made great accomplishments in life. Yet, they made it by working collectively too. You never made it on your own solitary. You needed assistance sometimes collectively. The power of the individual and the power of the collective are parts of the black African cultural tradition. My attitude has nothing to do with all evils in the world. Also, most black people voted for President Barack Obama because John McCain was seen as more reactionary. McCain talked about possibly bombing Iran. Most young people voted for the President in 2008 and most people voting for Republicans are mostly white people (that doesn't mean that all white people are racist or all black people are racist for mostly voting for the President). Many black people in Maryland voted for more non-black Democratic candidates before (and in places across America). I don’t worship Democrats and to assume otherwise is deception on your part. I cite the errors of the Democratic Dixiecrats in this very forum. I am an Independent politically.
My actions of believing in truth, opposing globalization, and rejecting austerity are clear. I refuted the Runaway Slave documentary many months ago in print. Your Tea Party rhetoric (and the Tea Party is funded by the Koch Brothers and other corporate interests) is fantasy since war mongering, massive austerity cuts, scapegoating, promoting the interests of the 1 percent, and xenophobia aren’t the essence of the Dream. The Dream is about us showing respect for humanity of every background and not to scapegoat black people collectively for every social ill in America. Runaway Slave won't expose how the New Deal decreased poverty, how the poverty rate was cut massively from 1945-1975 via progressive action, or how Social Security is a very successful program. It won't expose NSM 200 and it won't expose how Dr. King wanted a guaranteed annual income for all Americans. Your denial of white supremacy and the oppression against human beings in society is telling. I have a great perception of myself and my black people. I do believe that my people can achieve great things, but I also believe in exposing white supremacy at the same time. I believe in the Dream and I believe in justice. You can't have peace without justice.
Checkmate.
By Timothy
http://truthseeker2473.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-vice-presidential-debate-and-other.html
Monday, March 12, 2012
A Debate on Politics
Hi TruthSeeker24
I say that Ali's militant "black" identifying jugmentalism back then is what informs the the style of modern Liberal African American "agenda" politics today and their rhetoric. Ali was how he was because he was mad about how he was treated by "White" people who believed in this notion of "whiteness" and about how they used it to insult and belittle him as inferior. Yet he needed to see that this white/black excuse for division and hating him was only a blood poisoned scapegoat being used by those PEOPLE to do so back then, it was being done by PEOPLE who chose to do so not inherently "white" people. Sure, they were white skinned while on mass doing it, and those people even fervently believed in that shit notion enough to segregatedly kill African Americans over it, but they were just PEOPLE using a false notion of "Color" as a excuse to hurt others really.
Now the problem is that a 95% African American voting block that leans all Democrat speak themselves from the same false "color" perception of men like Ali about where racism comes from. The general appetite within Liberal African American democrats to "teach" on race issues and judge others supposed vast racial sins through their own personal racialized prism, comes from a similar false perception of "color" that they hold true to in similarity with the racists who enslaved them back in the past, and now Liberal African Americans use the "color" perception as a solidarity platform themselves. That solidarity with "blackness" may have seemed necessary to fight the fight for civil rights, but it has left Civil Rights African Americans as a group identifying by "color" today.
They act judgemental from a podium because of it and self segregate from other people with it. That racially charged/identifying podium of privilege, is from where insincere men like Obama speak when they want to pretend that they want to have a "new" dialog on race issues. Yet it is the same podium from which all the other "color" based judgments of others by Liberal African Americans comes from everyday. People like myself who are constantly judged and under attack for our every word by Liberal activist African American people of that privileged podium and who see their few Black conservative friends called "uncle toms" from it by them are not impressed to believe anything that these racialized Liberals say.
As I said in a letter before, there was no "new dialog" on race as Obama promised, just insulting "cowards on race" comments and "uncle tom" rhetoric from the left. At the same time, Black Panther intimidation got a free pass, and then they have the gall to wonder why those "Whites" who are always called "privileged racist conservative white people" hate them back in return for it. Well Liberal activist African Americans are in general now far too Racialized and judgmental to have any real true "new" dialogs or discussions about race issues with people like myself. All they breed is division with their insults at us and our Conservative "black" suffering brethren these days.
Sincerely,
CyberSpaceman81
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My Response:
This is an interesting discussion and here are my views. Muhammad Ali had imperfections like all human beings possess or acquire. No human being is perfect. Yet, Ali's views on many issues are 100 percent accurate in my opinion. You obviously disagree. Now, Muhammad Ali is right to promote black families, black communities, and black culture. You equate a man or a woman strongly promoting black culture as judging in an evil fashion. I don't. A real black man isn't judging unfairly all people when he stands up for an ideal. He is acting as a rational and firm minded human being that isn't afraid the status quo. The status quo desires stagnation and self hatred among black people, but the truth is that God wants black people to realize their full potential and love the legacy of their black ancestors. The black ancestors were warrirors and carrying forward with that warrior ethos of strength, determination, and progress are frontiers of stable living not choas. Muhammad Ali was right to expose the evils of white racism. Muhammad Ali even in the 1960's said that he didn't hate people, because they were white. He hated oppression and discrimination against his people. Racism isn't limited among some white people, but the system of white supermacy existed back then and today (under more sophisicated means). White terrorists (not all white people) harming black people back then used issues of race and class as a disgusting excuse in order to basically harming people. I don't consider them or prejudice people normal people in my eyes. They are degenerates. "Whiteness" to Ali refers to larger white society or white culture. You of course deny the concept of culture, but I believe in the existence of culture in the realm of human history.
Now, the percentage of black people voting for a political party of the Democrats exists for numerous reasons. You don't like it, but what is the alternative? I don't agree with the Democrats on every issue. On the other hand, the Republicans have shown us what they stand for. They stand for austerity, war mongering, xenophobia (even Jeb Bush called some Republicans out on their xenophobia), the violations of our civil liberties, near theocratic policies, and the use of race-baiting/anti-poor rhetoric. I wish for more African Americans to be politically Independent (which is purposely not a part of the Democratic/Republican corporate system), but I do understand why 95 % of black Americans vote Democratic when most Republicans desire to crush our effective social safety net. The lesson of reality is for people to teach of racism and promote solutions. Judging racial sins using accurate sources of history isn't about judging something with a false prism. That is using a crystal clear mirror that is a part of history, reality, and a sense of justice. Color (in terms of melanin levels) is real. Melanin levels that are diversely arranged in human beings is a scientific fact, while the usage of "race" is a social construct. People have used and exploited people of color for centuries. That is also real, so people have the right to talk about these issues. You wish to not discuss about these issues in an accurate fashion since you want all people to accept your conservative establishment views. Black solidarity has nothing to do with racism. Black solidarity is about promoting bounds of unity (among black men and black women), building black culture, and believing in justice. You ignore this goal. Black solidarity was necessary during the 1960's as it is now in 2012 (because of the problems in the black community. Black Unity is one solution out of many to help my black people). Identifying myself by color, culture, or my ethnicity is my right. It's part of the First Amendment. Judging evil is right. Judging oppression as wrong is fine with me.
See being judgmental against evil is very much human. Human beings have the right to discern right from wrong. To promote Black Power isn't about forced self segregration or bigotry. It's about doing the same thing that the Irish, the Indians, the Asians, the Hispanics, and other people have been doing in America for a long time. When the Asians and the Hispanics do this (or promote cultural growth along ethnic lines), there is no outright or massive condmenation. It is only when we blacks do it, then we're falsely called the racists. Sorry, it's a new day and colorblindess is fantasy (as exposed by the author & Sister Michelle Alexander). No real discerning man or woman concieves every black conservative as an Uncle Tom. That's silliness. We just feel that if a black person hates their own people and promotes corporate interests that damage their own people, then he or she is an Uncle Tom. It's a simple and quaint definition (without complication). I have said that the liberal establishment isn't perfect, but there is no way that I will worship at the altar of Ayn Rand or Milton Freidman. It isn't going to happen, no doubt.
There has been dialogues on race for years. Some progress have been made, but we have a long way to go. See, a true dialogue means that both sides will agree on many things. Yet, both sides don't have to agree on every point in the exact same fashion. You want black people to agree with your standard on every issue, but black people have every right to not agree with you in a peaceful fashion. Our civil rights are being violated, so we have the right to fight for more tranquility. The President Barack Obama talked about race and he didn't damn anyone as an Uncle Tom in his dialgoue (during his 2008 Presidential campaign). Black Panther intimidation? The New Black Panthers in that voting location didn't kill anyone, they exposed white supremacy (which they have every right to do and they are accurate on that point) and they didn't harm anyone physically. The only thing that they did wrong was carrying weapons that could intimidate people. Most of the Dade County FL police department blocking voters in 2000 to elect Bush is a thousand times worse than 2 New Black Panther members with nightsticks in Philadephia during 2008. Also, police brutality against a 6 year old black girl gets a free pass in Detroit. Oscar Grant's murder gets a free pass. The NYC's evil frisk and search policy against innocent minorities gets a free pass. The bombing of the black community in Tulsa, Oklahoma in 1921 by you know who got a free pass too. Also, other instruments of evil gets a free pass like the brutality against black Libyans by terrrorists. Our black people suffered no free passes in terms of oppression. We are oppressed and we have every justification to make our greivances known and to create solutions to help our own interests. I know many priviledged white conservative racists hate black people. Thank you for admitting to that. You are honest. We blacks don't hate you reactionaries. We disagree with you. Many liberals and people from across the political spectrum desire dialogue with each other. Race dialogues have existed for years, so to assume that race dialogues don't exist is false. You just want the dialogue to be one sided in your favor. Justice means all sides will benefit not just conservatives. No real scholar insults you or black conservatives. Real people don't advocate the demonization of any man who is conservative, but a real people advocate adequate critiques of any political philosophy. All humans are created equal, but all human beings have the right to work for community development. Black people have a right to love their families, their communities, and their people without malice or bigotry toward non-blacks. That is not a sin. That's the Lord's Truth.
By Timothy
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Hi TruthSeeker24
Republicans stand for non over emotionalized maturity, this xenophobia, austerity crap is just a liberal contrive of Conservatism actual positions. They believe in families that have expectations other than lax culture that accepts and seeks to mitigate the growth in youth promiscuity and uncommited adult relationships. They believe in a nation that was founded of rugged individual personal pursuing freedom and not vast culture of sharing all of their labors and hard work with everybody under the sun at others people enjoyable whim. They believe that a patriot expects his nation to be sovereign and it borders as well, not just have millions come whenever they please and use the services of our citizenship without expectations of legal immigration.
They believe that empowering the ease of the average citizen to start their OWN money generating capitalist enterprise however small is in keeping with this nations founding under personal pursuitism and CAPITALISM. They believe that one should be "equal" enough to face mainly just the obstacles of the natural world, competition, and the limits of their amassed skills and education without things like racism being a factor hindering them. Yet they don't believe that the world was made to make everyone have the same amount of stuff through collectivism, and that those who naturally can't achieve a certain level prosperity for themselves through their own efforts don't deserve that level till their own effort allow.
They believe that those like Liberals who fail the intercity with their Liberal teachers union lead Public School high drop out rates and "Empower" only to government provided things are destroying the personal pursuing independence of the people in this nation, and are failing even to give them the empowered ability to achieve even a basic level of prosperity of THEMSELVES with a good basic education skill base. Those consumed with arguments of supposed continuing "vast racism" that is leading their disadvantage are off point and objective. We need to worry more about why the Fredrick Douglass types who freed HIMSELF and taught HIMSELF to read with NO education has been lost in African American America now. Those who call themselves "Friends" of African American intercity empowerment can't even produce a decent primary school education to give them, and they all but ignore the cancer of single parenthood and other issues adding to more criminality and hopelessness.
Well I say that is UNACCEPTABLE while pushing more entitlements and collectivism on them, it is robbing them of their hope and sacred fire to achieve as an individual like their ancestors had. The "Mitt Romney" types of the republican party aren't the majority, they are big monied people who some I am sure have interest only to protect their fortune. The majority of Republicans are just middle class people who want their nation to be one free individuals who are able to sweat and toil for their OWN middle class level of prosperity and keep it, without being called "privileged" for it and being force by their neighbors to spend it all collectively on every new thing that people outside of their own home decide. Those who constantly from the Liberal now grown ethnocentric minority movement left of today shout with racialism about the white middle classes supposed "privilege" and judge everything they say and do as the most racist thing ever are presuming to a self righteous power they don't have right to as a equally fallible human.
These self segregating people have grown so consumed with racial color and the politics of disadvantage to see that it is mainly now reversible natural obstacles that are holding them back. The stored legacy of achievements of individual African Americans of past rougher days is immeasurable, and their achievements and fire for personal actions back then are more understandable now by those of conservative independent fire of spirit who remember their immigrant European ancestors struggles to reach the middle class and who want to be a nation of THAT and not collectivism. i am one who is interested in the "School Choice" movement, to me it seems more important that intercity kids get a good education that can serve them to start being personally actional and generative adults rather than to get into taking from government. their are Liberal Democrats and Conservatives doing big things in this arena, yet much of the Democratic establishment in love with the teachers unions hate on them.
This "School Choice" is a place where intercity minorities could see a growth in personal skill to do as individuals, yet I fear the majority of the Left wants continue to play racial disadvantage politics with the middle class more than they want to empower people bipartisanly to independent ability through things like school choice and community based personal small business starter training programs. That would just be too independent and capitalist to do for Democrats I guess. I am attaching a vid of the Democrat party people fighting for "school choice" who show a kindred bipartisan spirit with those fighting for it on the Conservative side. I hope it shows you a better way for us all to work toward something truly empowering for less fortunate rather than playing agenda politics and continuing a entitlement culture.
Sincerely,
CyberSpaceman81
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My Response:
Republicans stand for many things and principles. One of them isn't the love of the social safety net despite their hypocrisy on this issue. No political party is god neither perfect, therefore I possess the reasonable justification to be an Independent from a political standpoint. Being emotional for justice is fine. Being timid in the face of oppression is asinine and seriously cowardly in my opinion. Many Republicans advocate xenophobia and austerity evils. That's a fact. For example, Paul Ryan and Ron Paul desire at least 1 trillion dollar cuts in the government (which can damage the economy literally and it's austerity). Also, Republican Tom Tancredo blatantly advocates restrictions on legal immigration in harsh xenophobic terminology. These characterizations of some Republicans advocating extremism isn't a part of liberal contrivance, but cold facts. People from across the spectrum disagree with youth sexual promiscuity and uncommitted adult relationships inside of a lax culture. I just feel that people should not be placed into prison (as theocrats advocate) for premarital sex and various adult relationships. There are means to fight against these problems like sexual education, communication, dialogue, and promoting a culture that abhors materialism and yes austerity. In American culture, shared sacrifice is part and parcel of our ethos. For example, centuries ago, the American Revolutionaries sacrificed their wealth to defeat British colonialists. Even during the Great Depression, communities sacrificed their labor and time to assist the poor and struggling. The same things existed during WWII. Now, the Constitution in Article I, Section 8 gives the government the power to tax citizens (therefore, the usage of taxes to help society is perfectly legal). I believe in national sovereignty, so you have no qualms from me about a nation having the right to be sovereign in their territorial integrity. Yet, when people talk about comprehensive immigration reform, we are not saying people should run from foreign countries into America precipitously. That means that we should protect our borders and promote a rational solution to the immigrants already here in America. You can't immediate deport millions of people without causes riots or chaos, so a comprehensive approach is far better in solving immigration complications.
You feel that the private arena can only empower the individual. In 2012, I am seeing that it can be both the private and the public sector working in one nation that can empower individuals. You mention the words personal pursuit. So often, the words of personal pursuit have been exploited as a cover to advance greed, materialism, and other facets of negligent behavior in our financial sphere. Therefore, the markets should have reasonable regulations in order for the market to not act unfettered. Unfettered capitalism is a detriment to human progress, while controlled capitalism or even a mixed economy has worked in the United States during the span of short centuries. Now, the weakness of your argument of bootstraps 101 is that not all human beings travel in the same road at approximately the same time. For example, the rich man and a pauper are in 2 different lanes in the track. The rich person has many advantages; therefore programs were created to assist the poor person in the race of life. Therefore, it's fine for you (if you want) to promote your own individual endeavor without government assistance. Yet, you should not restrict some governmental assistance from those that legitimately need it. Human life will not be perfect and obstacles are abundant. That's true, but imperfections in life require corrections. These corrections involve funds, fair taxation, legitimate laws, and other policies that can make America a better nation. A man can make great contributions via his own efforts, but no man can make it on their own. All men were assisted one way or another in their life's journey.
You made words about public education. There are huge problems in the public educational system that is multifaceted. There is corporate influence in education that causes problems. There is a sense of cultural and discipline problems in the classroom as well. Yet, the government is by and for the people. So, the people are the government and the government is going to be run by either evil people or righteous people. So, the public school system ought to have strong reforms without the total annihilation of it. I have no issues with homeschooling or private schools as long as they aren't paid by taxpayer dollars (because many of these schools express views that some people disagree with. Many vouchers are religious schools funded by taxpayer dollars as well). I don't like many high dropout rates from high school either. One solution is public school is a back to basics philosophy (that deals with phonic, promoting more reading, developing intellectualism and the model from Finland). Like Finland, teachers should be highly trained in education and behavior management. Sometimes, it isn't even the teacher's fault since some teachers have trouble with children with complex behavioral problems (and their dependence on anti-depression drugs). Other solutions to the public education problem are to have teachers have flexibility in testing students, and promote stronger cooperation among all parties (in Finland, there Finland offers all pupils free school meals, easy access to health care, psychological counseling, and individualized student guidance). As for teacher unions, there should be unions. Without unions, you wouldn't have a minimum wage, child labor could be legal, pollution would be harsher, and other evil conditions would remain in America. We should thank unions. Teachers unions should be reformed and not abolished. The scapegoating of teacher unions for all educational problems is silly when our problems are more complex than that. Not all teachers are to be blamed for this. Replacing qualified teachers with temps is extremely damaging to our system of education.
Private education has just as much a valid historical link to American history as Public education. Some of our greatest leaders including African Americans were an educational product of public education. Racism and socioeconomic problems pay a huge role in educational problems despite your denials. The reason is that some minorities are suspended (not because of rude behavior), but because of cultural differences. Privatizing all public education benefits the corporate elite not the people. A real solution involves accountability, flexibility, and the strengthening of public schools.
Frederick Douglas may have taught himself how to read, but the government was necessary to allow people to escape out of the Great Depression. Also, the civil rights activists forced the government to pass meaningful legislation in order to give people their God-given rights. Hence, individuals and the public can make masterful improvements in society. You just felt the individuals can do it alone. I believe that both individuals and the public can make a better world. There are many public education schools and plenty of great African Americans making it in life, thank you very much. Single parenthood exist across ethnicities and backgrounds, so single parenthood is not monolithic. Not all single parents are drug dealers or living in a degenerate lifestyle, so that stereotyping is a mirage of deception. The social safety net isn't an entitlement, because people earned to receive them via work (like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid). Most white people in America have these items not black people, so race baiting is silly here. Also, these services aren't gotten by theft. They are gotten by real labor and real work. Taxes are found in the Constitution as well. Unregulated capitalism has been a force that contributed to the Maafa and some of the corrupt policies found inside of factories during the 19th century. I worship God not capitalism. Capitalism like any economic philosophy acquires imperfections and some pitfalls. You don't expose the record income inequality and the crimes of the super rich since it ends your promotion of corporate wealth centralization. The Mitt Romney types (for better or for worst) run your party of Republicans. Republicans mostly are middle class, yet some of the middle class have forgotten about the poor. When some of the middle class are suffering poverty now, then some of them realized that you can't forget the interests of the poor. America isn't just for the middle class. America is for the poor too and if we want meaningful solutions here, then we have to advocate strong, effective policies to assist the poor in a militant way. Again, Taxation isn't about forcing your neighbor to steal your wealth. It's about fulfilling Congress' right to fund our roads, bridges, infrastructure, health, and other vital services in this country. The term collectivism is used by some conservatives in order to scare people into feeling that there are no other alternatives to free market capitalism (when there are like a mixed economy). Now, black people loving their people, loving their families, and wanting more black children isn't about racism. It's about truth. Also, real black people don't call all words from white people as racism, but expose some racist whites' comments that harm black people. See, you want to deny white racism. The Republican establishment and the Democratic establishment are run by the same people.
Forming black communities is fine and this isn't bigotry. If a black person wants to live with his own people voluntarily, that is his right. Being appreciative of melanin is a blessing. There is a politics of disadvantage of the super rich having huge advantages over the rest of us. The great accomplishments of African Americans in yesteryear doesn't justify massive globalization, unjust wars, and other nefarious policies in the 21st century at all. Also, tons of European immigrants live in separate enclaves to this day culturally and socially. You can't refute these points at all. School choice is school choice. School choice that's real has nothing to do with arbitrarily cutting teachers or illegally privatizing all public schools. That isn't school choice, but it's harming the public school choice. Many Democrats and Republicans are united to promote privatization as both parties in their leadership are nearly the same. Sorry, yet changes in public schools can enrich the lives of African Americans. Also, middle class human beings aren't monolithic. Numerous middle class individuals want the 1% to end their economic crimes, they want the poor to have justice, and they promote love without theocracy. The Bush tax cuts for the rich can't massively benefit our economy & other archaic economic plans are futile too. Small businesses and private charities are fine. Yet, charities alone can never end poverty. Small businesses alone can never end poverty. Only, the combination of public sector and private sector solutions can end poverty. Your denial of the power of the public sector to humanly help another human being is telling on your personal premise as it relates to politics. Using the government to help the less fortunate is legal and it is no vice. The entitlement culture spin has been used by Republicans as an excuse to try to crush the social Safety net. Social Security (with a surplus in the trillions of dollars) and Medicare aren't entitlements. They are effective programs that people earned by their own labor in order to enrich their own standard of living. Now, you want all black Americans to be Republicans, yet you won't have your wish. The reason is that black people collectively I might add reject the racist statements made by numerous Republican candidates. We reject austerity and colorblindness. We also reject the hatred of black culture. We black people will forever love and promote black culture, black fashion, black families, and black Power. Collectivism relates to community and community work is a very pristine portion of black African history. It is what is as they say.
By Timothy
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Hi Timothy
This "Social Safety net" idea is a fantasy made to pacify those Liberals and others who have had their Social Security money spent away by Liberal/all government far before they ever have seen a dime of it. If one is an adult they should be expected to know how to set some of their OWN money aside in personal savings for later. Yet Social Security was NOT made as a government "hands off" savings program for the Liberal idiots out their who can't save by budgeting day to day personally and need to have the government do so for them. It was set up instead to be used as a short term loan system for the government to use "the peoples" money before they would need it for their retirement and then the government pretended that they would have the money paid back into the accounts by the time the payers in finally needed it for retirement.
Now there is nothing but a lot of "I owe you" tickets from the government in social security accounts. Even the rest of the little money left in there that is not enough to cover everyone, is being devalued by monetizing the new debt that Obama is taking on by printing more money. When there are more dollar bills being made, then they each become a percentage less valuable as a consequence, That means every dollar in your social security account goes down in value and your once 10,000 dollars in there is only worth something else now. something like say 7,000 dollars. This is the consequence of letting the government debt spend and monetize our currency into less value. If the government had had to keep their hands off of using Social Security savings to spend, then the money would all still be in there in personal accounts for those people now. If the government was expected to run on a budget and not take on extra debt to spend. on entitlements, wars, and projects.
Then they wouldn't have to monetize that debt and lower the value of the cash sitting in those social security accounts that should have been hands off from the start. The government could have done this, but as no surprise to me didn't. Now the vast "Baby Boomer" population is coming into the use of Social Security and the money they paid in has either already been spent by government or has been devalued by them. This means we need to find a new away to foot the bill, and that way as Liberals are displaying is just more debt. Government spending took the original money out of the accounts and spent it, Government debt spending loans after that made for monetized currency devaluation of what was left, and now with only "I owe you" tickets left in the accounts the government wants to borrow more debt to pay for the Baby Boomers retirements now.
Well that idea will just indenture into debt servitude the smaller populated generations of younger people here. They will have to service this debt for generations in order to borrow enough to pay for the baby boomers retirements now. WHERE THE HELL IS THE ORIGINAL MONEY PAID
IN?!!! Yet you talk so reverently of the "Helpful" government and how well it spends your money. Well I say that it is moronic to think that those who have spent and also devalued your savings deserve to hold on to your money. If people had had that money saved somewhere themselves then they could have kept it unspent, and if the government tried to monetize and devalue to take on more debt. Then you would have had that money with YOU to transfer over to a better currency over seas before it ever devalued. That is how a free and independent mature adult manages their money and stays prosperous. Not like Liberals who let government think and spend for them.
Such personally responsible fiscal choices aren't some secret formula or "way of cheating" by only people with more money than others. They are just personal actions that could be taken by anyone of any means to be secure themselves. Yet you seem to want the government to look after you still. Well no wonder you complain about the successful beating you, it's because they don't put their money in the hands of those who who would be irresponsible with it like government loving Liberals like you do. I would tell you to get more of YOUR OWN money back from government, but I fear it would fall on deaf ears. LOL I love how Liberals hate on the successful for beating them with individualism and then go off to seek government and not their own individualism. Sure, don't do the fiscally responsible things that you can do personally that can make you as successful as those richer than you, instead entrust your money to the government. That is the Liberal way of thinking, and it gets it's ass beat by individualism time and time again.
Sincerely,
Brendan
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I say that Ali's militant "black" identifying jugmentalism back then is what informs the the style of modern Liberal African American "agenda" politics today and their rhetoric. Ali was how he was because he was mad about how he was treated by "White" people who believed in this notion of "whiteness" and about how they used it to insult and belittle him as inferior. Yet he needed to see that this white/black excuse for division and hating him was only a blood poisoned scapegoat being used by those PEOPLE to do so back then, it was being done by PEOPLE who chose to do so not inherently "white" people. Sure, they were white skinned while on mass doing it, and those people even fervently believed in that shit notion enough to segregatedly kill African Americans over it, but they were just PEOPLE using a false notion of "Color" as a excuse to hurt others really.
Now the problem is that a 95% African American voting block that leans all Democrat speak themselves from the same false "color" perception of men like Ali about where racism comes from. The general appetite within Liberal African American democrats to "teach" on race issues and judge others supposed vast racial sins through their own personal racialized prism, comes from a similar false perception of "color" that they hold true to in similarity with the racists who enslaved them back in the past, and now Liberal African Americans use the "color" perception as a solidarity platform themselves. That solidarity with "blackness" may have seemed necessary to fight the fight for civil rights, but it has left Civil Rights African Americans as a group identifying by "color" today.
They act judgemental from a podium because of it and self segregate from other people with it. That racially charged/identifying podium of privilege, is from where insincere men like Obama speak when they want to pretend that they want to have a "new" dialog on race issues. Yet it is the same podium from which all the other "color" based judgments of others by Liberal African Americans comes from everyday. People like myself who are constantly judged and under attack for our every word by Liberal activist African American people of that privileged podium and who see their few Black conservative friends called "uncle toms" from it by them are not impressed to believe anything that these racialized Liberals say.
As I said in a letter before, there was no "new dialog" on race as Obama promised, just insulting "cowards on race" comments and "uncle tom" rhetoric from the left. At the same time, Black Panther intimidation got a free pass, and then they have the gall to wonder why those "Whites" who are always called "privileged racist conservative white people" hate them back in return for it. Well Liberal activist African Americans are in general now far too Racialized and judgmental to have any real true "new" dialogs or discussions about race issues with people like myself. All they breed is division with their insults at us and our Conservative "black" suffering brethren these days.
Sincerely,
CyberSpaceman81
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My Response:
This is an interesting discussion and here are my views. Muhammad Ali had imperfections like all human beings possess or acquire. No human being is perfect. Yet, Ali's views on many issues are 100 percent accurate in my opinion. You obviously disagree. Now, Muhammad Ali is right to promote black families, black communities, and black culture. You equate a man or a woman strongly promoting black culture as judging in an evil fashion. I don't. A real black man isn't judging unfairly all people when he stands up for an ideal. He is acting as a rational and firm minded human being that isn't afraid the status quo. The status quo desires stagnation and self hatred among black people, but the truth is that God wants black people to realize their full potential and love the legacy of their black ancestors. The black ancestors were warrirors and carrying forward with that warrior ethos of strength, determination, and progress are frontiers of stable living not choas. Muhammad Ali was right to expose the evils of white racism. Muhammad Ali even in the 1960's said that he didn't hate people, because they were white. He hated oppression and discrimination against his people. Racism isn't limited among some white people, but the system of white supermacy existed back then and today (under more sophisicated means). White terrorists (not all white people) harming black people back then used issues of race and class as a disgusting excuse in order to basically harming people. I don't consider them or prejudice people normal people in my eyes. They are degenerates. "Whiteness" to Ali refers to larger white society or white culture. You of course deny the concept of culture, but I believe in the existence of culture in the realm of human history.
Now, the percentage of black people voting for a political party of the Democrats exists for numerous reasons. You don't like it, but what is the alternative? I don't agree with the Democrats on every issue. On the other hand, the Republicans have shown us what they stand for. They stand for austerity, war mongering, xenophobia (even Jeb Bush called some Republicans out on their xenophobia), the violations of our civil liberties, near theocratic policies, and the use of race-baiting/anti-poor rhetoric. I wish for more African Americans to be politically Independent (which is purposely not a part of the Democratic/Republican corporate system), but I do understand why 95 % of black Americans vote Democratic when most Republicans desire to crush our effective social safety net. The lesson of reality is for people to teach of racism and promote solutions. Judging racial sins using accurate sources of history isn't about judging something with a false prism. That is using a crystal clear mirror that is a part of history, reality, and a sense of justice. Color (in terms of melanin levels) is real. Melanin levels that are diversely arranged in human beings is a scientific fact, while the usage of "race" is a social construct. People have used and exploited people of color for centuries. That is also real, so people have the right to talk about these issues. You wish to not discuss about these issues in an accurate fashion since you want all people to accept your conservative establishment views. Black solidarity has nothing to do with racism. Black solidarity is about promoting bounds of unity (among black men and black women), building black culture, and believing in justice. You ignore this goal. Black solidarity was necessary during the 1960's as it is now in 2012 (because of the problems in the black community. Black Unity is one solution out of many to help my black people). Identifying myself by color, culture, or my ethnicity is my right. It's part of the First Amendment. Judging evil is right. Judging oppression as wrong is fine with me.
See being judgmental against evil is very much human. Human beings have the right to discern right from wrong. To promote Black Power isn't about forced self segregration or bigotry. It's about doing the same thing that the Irish, the Indians, the Asians, the Hispanics, and other people have been doing in America for a long time. When the Asians and the Hispanics do this (or promote cultural growth along ethnic lines), there is no outright or massive condmenation. It is only when we blacks do it, then we're falsely called the racists. Sorry, it's a new day and colorblindess is fantasy (as exposed by the author & Sister Michelle Alexander). No real discerning man or woman concieves every black conservative as an Uncle Tom. That's silliness. We just feel that if a black person hates their own people and promotes corporate interests that damage their own people, then he or she is an Uncle Tom. It's a simple and quaint definition (without complication). I have said that the liberal establishment isn't perfect, but there is no way that I will worship at the altar of Ayn Rand or Milton Freidman. It isn't going to happen, no doubt.
There has been dialogues on race for years. Some progress have been made, but we have a long way to go. See, a true dialogue means that both sides will agree on many things. Yet, both sides don't have to agree on every point in the exact same fashion. You want black people to agree with your standard on every issue, but black people have every right to not agree with you in a peaceful fashion. Our civil rights are being violated, so we have the right to fight for more tranquility. The President Barack Obama talked about race and he didn't damn anyone as an Uncle Tom in his dialgoue (during his 2008 Presidential campaign). Black Panther intimidation? The New Black Panthers in that voting location didn't kill anyone, they exposed white supremacy (which they have every right to do and they are accurate on that point) and they didn't harm anyone physically. The only thing that they did wrong was carrying weapons that could intimidate people. Most of the Dade County FL police department blocking voters in 2000 to elect Bush is a thousand times worse than 2 New Black Panther members with nightsticks in Philadephia during 2008. Also, police brutality against a 6 year old black girl gets a free pass in Detroit. Oscar Grant's murder gets a free pass. The NYC's evil frisk and search policy against innocent minorities gets a free pass. The bombing of the black community in Tulsa, Oklahoma in 1921 by you know who got a free pass too. Also, other instruments of evil gets a free pass like the brutality against black Libyans by terrrorists. Our black people suffered no free passes in terms of oppression. We are oppressed and we have every justification to make our greivances known and to create solutions to help our own interests. I know many priviledged white conservative racists hate black people. Thank you for admitting to that. You are honest. We blacks don't hate you reactionaries. We disagree with you. Many liberals and people from across the political spectrum desire dialogue with each other. Race dialogues have existed for years, so to assume that race dialogues don't exist is false. You just want the dialogue to be one sided in your favor. Justice means all sides will benefit not just conservatives. No real scholar insults you or black conservatives. Real people don't advocate the demonization of any man who is conservative, but a real people advocate adequate critiques of any political philosophy. All humans are created equal, but all human beings have the right to work for community development. Black people have a right to love their families, their communities, and their people without malice or bigotry toward non-blacks. That is not a sin. That's the Lord's Truth.
By Timothy
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Hi TruthSeeker24
Republicans stand for non over emotionalized maturity, this xenophobia, austerity crap is just a liberal contrive of Conservatism actual positions. They believe in families that have expectations other than lax culture that accepts and seeks to mitigate the growth in youth promiscuity and uncommited adult relationships. They believe in a nation that was founded of rugged individual personal pursuing freedom and not vast culture of sharing all of their labors and hard work with everybody under the sun at others people enjoyable whim. They believe that a patriot expects his nation to be sovereign and it borders as well, not just have millions come whenever they please and use the services of our citizenship without expectations of legal immigration.
They believe that empowering the ease of the average citizen to start their OWN money generating capitalist enterprise however small is in keeping with this nations founding under personal pursuitism and CAPITALISM. They believe that one should be "equal" enough to face mainly just the obstacles of the natural world, competition, and the limits of their amassed skills and education without things like racism being a factor hindering them. Yet they don't believe that the world was made to make everyone have the same amount of stuff through collectivism, and that those who naturally can't achieve a certain level prosperity for themselves through their own efforts don't deserve that level till their own effort allow.
They believe that those like Liberals who fail the intercity with their Liberal teachers union lead Public School high drop out rates and "Empower" only to government provided things are destroying the personal pursuing independence of the people in this nation, and are failing even to give them the empowered ability to achieve even a basic level of prosperity of THEMSELVES with a good basic education skill base. Those consumed with arguments of supposed continuing "vast racism" that is leading their disadvantage are off point and objective. We need to worry more about why the Fredrick Douglass types who freed HIMSELF and taught HIMSELF to read with NO education has been lost in African American America now. Those who call themselves "Friends" of African American intercity empowerment can't even produce a decent primary school education to give them, and they all but ignore the cancer of single parenthood and other issues adding to more criminality and hopelessness.
Well I say that is UNACCEPTABLE while pushing more entitlements and collectivism on them, it is robbing them of their hope and sacred fire to achieve as an individual like their ancestors had. The "Mitt Romney" types of the republican party aren't the majority, they are big monied people who some I am sure have interest only to protect their fortune. The majority of Republicans are just middle class people who want their nation to be one free individuals who are able to sweat and toil for their OWN middle class level of prosperity and keep it, without being called "privileged" for it and being force by their neighbors to spend it all collectively on every new thing that people outside of their own home decide. Those who constantly from the Liberal now grown ethnocentric minority movement left of today shout with racialism about the white middle classes supposed "privilege" and judge everything they say and do as the most racist thing ever are presuming to a self righteous power they don't have right to as a equally fallible human.
These self segregating people have grown so consumed with racial color and the politics of disadvantage to see that it is mainly now reversible natural obstacles that are holding them back. The stored legacy of achievements of individual African Americans of past rougher days is immeasurable, and their achievements and fire for personal actions back then are more understandable now by those of conservative independent fire of spirit who remember their immigrant European ancestors struggles to reach the middle class and who want to be a nation of THAT and not collectivism. i am one who is interested in the "School Choice" movement, to me it seems more important that intercity kids get a good education that can serve them to start being personally actional and generative adults rather than to get into taking from government. their are Liberal Democrats and Conservatives doing big things in this arena, yet much of the Democratic establishment in love with the teachers unions hate on them.
This "School Choice" is a place where intercity minorities could see a growth in personal skill to do as individuals, yet I fear the majority of the Left wants continue to play racial disadvantage politics with the middle class more than they want to empower people bipartisanly to independent ability through things like school choice and community based personal small business starter training programs. That would just be too independent and capitalist to do for Democrats I guess. I am attaching a vid of the Democrat party people fighting for "school choice" who show a kindred bipartisan spirit with those fighting for it on the Conservative side. I hope it shows you a better way for us all to work toward something truly empowering for less fortunate rather than playing agenda politics and continuing a entitlement culture.
Sincerely,
CyberSpaceman81
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My Response:
Republicans stand for many things and principles. One of them isn't the love of the social safety net despite their hypocrisy on this issue. No political party is god neither perfect, therefore I possess the reasonable justification to be an Independent from a political standpoint. Being emotional for justice is fine. Being timid in the face of oppression is asinine and seriously cowardly in my opinion. Many Republicans advocate xenophobia and austerity evils. That's a fact. For example, Paul Ryan and Ron Paul desire at least 1 trillion dollar cuts in the government (which can damage the economy literally and it's austerity). Also, Republican Tom Tancredo blatantly advocates restrictions on legal immigration in harsh xenophobic terminology. These characterizations of some Republicans advocating extremism isn't a part of liberal contrivance, but cold facts. People from across the spectrum disagree with youth sexual promiscuity and uncommitted adult relationships inside of a lax culture. I just feel that people should not be placed into prison (as theocrats advocate) for premarital sex and various adult relationships. There are means to fight against these problems like sexual education, communication, dialogue, and promoting a culture that abhors materialism and yes austerity. In American culture, shared sacrifice is part and parcel of our ethos. For example, centuries ago, the American Revolutionaries sacrificed their wealth to defeat British colonialists. Even during the Great Depression, communities sacrificed their labor and time to assist the poor and struggling. The same things existed during WWII. Now, the Constitution in Article I, Section 8 gives the government the power to tax citizens (therefore, the usage of taxes to help society is perfectly legal). I believe in national sovereignty, so you have no qualms from me about a nation having the right to be sovereign in their territorial integrity. Yet, when people talk about comprehensive immigration reform, we are not saying people should run from foreign countries into America precipitously. That means that we should protect our borders and promote a rational solution to the immigrants already here in America. You can't immediate deport millions of people without causes riots or chaos, so a comprehensive approach is far better in solving immigration complications.
You feel that the private arena can only empower the individual. In 2012, I am seeing that it can be both the private and the public sector working in one nation that can empower individuals. You mention the words personal pursuit. So often, the words of personal pursuit have been exploited as a cover to advance greed, materialism, and other facets of negligent behavior in our financial sphere. Therefore, the markets should have reasonable regulations in order for the market to not act unfettered. Unfettered capitalism is a detriment to human progress, while controlled capitalism or even a mixed economy has worked in the United States during the span of short centuries. Now, the weakness of your argument of bootstraps 101 is that not all human beings travel in the same road at approximately the same time. For example, the rich man and a pauper are in 2 different lanes in the track. The rich person has many advantages; therefore programs were created to assist the poor person in the race of life. Therefore, it's fine for you (if you want) to promote your own individual endeavor without government assistance. Yet, you should not restrict some governmental assistance from those that legitimately need it. Human life will not be perfect and obstacles are abundant. That's true, but imperfections in life require corrections. These corrections involve funds, fair taxation, legitimate laws, and other policies that can make America a better nation. A man can make great contributions via his own efforts, but no man can make it on their own. All men were assisted one way or another in their life's journey.
You made words about public education. There are huge problems in the public educational system that is multifaceted. There is corporate influence in education that causes problems. There is a sense of cultural and discipline problems in the classroom as well. Yet, the government is by and for the people. So, the people are the government and the government is going to be run by either evil people or righteous people. So, the public school system ought to have strong reforms without the total annihilation of it. I have no issues with homeschooling or private schools as long as they aren't paid by taxpayer dollars (because many of these schools express views that some people disagree with. Many vouchers are religious schools funded by taxpayer dollars as well). I don't like many high dropout rates from high school either. One solution is public school is a back to basics philosophy (that deals with phonic, promoting more reading, developing intellectualism and the model from Finland). Like Finland, teachers should be highly trained in education and behavior management. Sometimes, it isn't even the teacher's fault since some teachers have trouble with children with complex behavioral problems (and their dependence on anti-depression drugs). Other solutions to the public education problem are to have teachers have flexibility in testing students, and promote stronger cooperation among all parties (in Finland, there Finland offers all pupils free school meals, easy access to health care, psychological counseling, and individualized student guidance). As for teacher unions, there should be unions. Without unions, you wouldn't have a minimum wage, child labor could be legal, pollution would be harsher, and other evil conditions would remain in America. We should thank unions. Teachers unions should be reformed and not abolished. The scapegoating of teacher unions for all educational problems is silly when our problems are more complex than that. Not all teachers are to be blamed for this. Replacing qualified teachers with temps is extremely damaging to our system of education.
Private education has just as much a valid historical link to American history as Public education. Some of our greatest leaders including African Americans were an educational product of public education. Racism and socioeconomic problems pay a huge role in educational problems despite your denials. The reason is that some minorities are suspended (not because of rude behavior), but because of cultural differences. Privatizing all public education benefits the corporate elite not the people. A real solution involves accountability, flexibility, and the strengthening of public schools.
Frederick Douglas may have taught himself how to read, but the government was necessary to allow people to escape out of the Great Depression. Also, the civil rights activists forced the government to pass meaningful legislation in order to give people their God-given rights. Hence, individuals and the public can make masterful improvements in society. You just felt the individuals can do it alone. I believe that both individuals and the public can make a better world. There are many public education schools and plenty of great African Americans making it in life, thank you very much. Single parenthood exist across ethnicities and backgrounds, so single parenthood is not monolithic. Not all single parents are drug dealers or living in a degenerate lifestyle, so that stereotyping is a mirage of deception. The social safety net isn't an entitlement, because people earned to receive them via work (like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid). Most white people in America have these items not black people, so race baiting is silly here. Also, these services aren't gotten by theft. They are gotten by real labor and real work. Taxes are found in the Constitution as well. Unregulated capitalism has been a force that contributed to the Maafa and some of the corrupt policies found inside of factories during the 19th century. I worship God not capitalism. Capitalism like any economic philosophy acquires imperfections and some pitfalls. You don't expose the record income inequality and the crimes of the super rich since it ends your promotion of corporate wealth centralization. The Mitt Romney types (for better or for worst) run your party of Republicans. Republicans mostly are middle class, yet some of the middle class have forgotten about the poor. When some of the middle class are suffering poverty now, then some of them realized that you can't forget the interests of the poor. America isn't just for the middle class. America is for the poor too and if we want meaningful solutions here, then we have to advocate strong, effective policies to assist the poor in a militant way. Again, Taxation isn't about forcing your neighbor to steal your wealth. It's about fulfilling Congress' right to fund our roads, bridges, infrastructure, health, and other vital services in this country. The term collectivism is used by some conservatives in order to scare people into feeling that there are no other alternatives to free market capitalism (when there are like a mixed economy). Now, black people loving their people, loving their families, and wanting more black children isn't about racism. It's about truth. Also, real black people don't call all words from white people as racism, but expose some racist whites' comments that harm black people. See, you want to deny white racism. The Republican establishment and the Democratic establishment are run by the same people.
Forming black communities is fine and this isn't bigotry. If a black person wants to live with his own people voluntarily, that is his right. Being appreciative of melanin is a blessing. There is a politics of disadvantage of the super rich having huge advantages over the rest of us. The great accomplishments of African Americans in yesteryear doesn't justify massive globalization, unjust wars, and other nefarious policies in the 21st century at all. Also, tons of European immigrants live in separate enclaves to this day culturally and socially. You can't refute these points at all. School choice is school choice. School choice that's real has nothing to do with arbitrarily cutting teachers or illegally privatizing all public schools. That isn't school choice, but it's harming the public school choice. Many Democrats and Republicans are united to promote privatization as both parties in their leadership are nearly the same. Sorry, yet changes in public schools can enrich the lives of African Americans. Also, middle class human beings aren't monolithic. Numerous middle class individuals want the 1% to end their economic crimes, they want the poor to have justice, and they promote love without theocracy. The Bush tax cuts for the rich can't massively benefit our economy & other archaic economic plans are futile too. Small businesses and private charities are fine. Yet, charities alone can never end poverty. Small businesses alone can never end poverty. Only, the combination of public sector and private sector solutions can end poverty. Your denial of the power of the public sector to humanly help another human being is telling on your personal premise as it relates to politics. Using the government to help the less fortunate is legal and it is no vice. The entitlement culture spin has been used by Republicans as an excuse to try to crush the social Safety net. Social Security (with a surplus in the trillions of dollars) and Medicare aren't entitlements. They are effective programs that people earned by their own labor in order to enrich their own standard of living. Now, you want all black Americans to be Republicans, yet you won't have your wish. The reason is that black people collectively I might add reject the racist statements made by numerous Republican candidates. We reject austerity and colorblindness. We also reject the hatred of black culture. We black people will forever love and promote black culture, black fashion, black families, and black Power. Collectivism relates to community and community work is a very pristine portion of black African history. It is what is as they say.
By Timothy
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Hi Timothy
This "Social Safety net" idea is a fantasy made to pacify those Liberals and others who have had their Social Security money spent away by Liberal/all government far before they ever have seen a dime of it. If one is an adult they should be expected to know how to set some of their OWN money aside in personal savings for later. Yet Social Security was NOT made as a government "hands off" savings program for the Liberal idiots out their who can't save by budgeting day to day personally and need to have the government do so for them. It was set up instead to be used as a short term loan system for the government to use "the peoples" money before they would need it for their retirement and then the government pretended that they would have the money paid back into the accounts by the time the payers in finally needed it for retirement.
Now there is nothing but a lot of "I owe you" tickets from the government in social security accounts. Even the rest of the little money left in there that is not enough to cover everyone, is being devalued by monetizing the new debt that Obama is taking on by printing more money. When there are more dollar bills being made, then they each become a percentage less valuable as a consequence, That means every dollar in your social security account goes down in value and your once 10,000 dollars in there is only worth something else now. something like say 7,000 dollars. This is the consequence of letting the government debt spend and monetize our currency into less value. If the government had had to keep their hands off of using Social Security savings to spend, then the money would all still be in there in personal accounts for those people now. If the government was expected to run on a budget and not take on extra debt to spend. on entitlements, wars, and projects.
Then they wouldn't have to monetize that debt and lower the value of the cash sitting in those social security accounts that should have been hands off from the start. The government could have done this, but as no surprise to me didn't. Now the vast "Baby Boomer" population is coming into the use of Social Security and the money they paid in has either already been spent by government or has been devalued by them. This means we need to find a new away to foot the bill, and that way as Liberals are displaying is just more debt. Government spending took the original money out of the accounts and spent it, Government debt spending loans after that made for monetized currency devaluation of what was left, and now with only "I owe you" tickets left in the accounts the government wants to borrow more debt to pay for the Baby Boomers retirements now.
Well that idea will just indenture into debt servitude the smaller populated generations of younger people here. They will have to service this debt for generations in order to borrow enough to pay for the baby boomers retirements now. WHERE THE HELL IS THE ORIGINAL MONEY PAID
IN?!!! Yet you talk so reverently of the "Helpful" government and how well it spends your money. Well I say that it is moronic to think that those who have spent and also devalued your savings deserve to hold on to your money. If people had had that money saved somewhere themselves then they could have kept it unspent, and if the government tried to monetize and devalue to take on more debt. Then you would have had that money with YOU to transfer over to a better currency over seas before it ever devalued. That is how a free and independent mature adult manages their money and stays prosperous. Not like Liberals who let government think and spend for them.
Such personally responsible fiscal choices aren't some secret formula or "way of cheating" by only people with more money than others. They are just personal actions that could be taken by anyone of any means to be secure themselves. Yet you seem to want the government to look after you still. Well no wonder you complain about the successful beating you, it's because they don't put their money in the hands of those who who would be irresponsible with it like government loving Liberals like you do. I would tell you to get more of YOUR OWN money back from government, but I fear it would fall on deaf ears. LOL I love how Liberals hate on the successful for beating them with individualism and then go off to seek government and not their own individualism. Sure, don't do the fiscally responsible things that you can do personally that can make you as successful as those richer than you, instead entrust your money to the government. That is the Liberal way of thinking, and it gets it's ass beat by individualism time and time again.
Sincerely,
Brendan
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The reactionaries are slick in our generation, but real human beings are wiser than the lies from the status quo. Now, the social safety net isn’t a fantasy. The Social Safety net is a reality. All human beings need assistance and the social safety net was created in America to not only help Americans. It was used to maintain social prosperity and prevent the oligarchy from having too much extreme power over the populace. Now, the corporate elitists are angry at the social safety net since it strips away a lot of their power. That is why they use Foundations (including puppets like Peter Peterson) to advocate the elimination of the social safety net, especially Social Security. Social Security presently has trillions of dollars in a surplus. Some of the money has been spent heavily during the Bush administration years. Bush isn’t a far left liberal man at all. Stolen wealth from the Social Security trust fund occurs from time to time. Still, future generations can witness a dime of Social Security via wise policies and economic preservation without austerity & unjust wars. Some adults can survive with a job and set their own money alone. Yet, some adults are extremely poor and some are living in extreme circumstances. These incidents permit some public services. Now, Social Security once again is earned not gotten for free, so it isn’t some entitlement. Some reactionaries don’t know what a real entitlement. If you earn a benefit via work, it is no shame. Intelligent men from across the political spectrum lost funds and even went into poverty not because of ignorance or laziness, but by corporate corruption, unfair firing, and other things Some of the causes on why some folks experience new found poverty are not the fault of some people. Social Security is an effective program with tons of benefits to people. The problem is that the Big Money Fat Cats and their Congressional lackeys in 2010 cut payroll contributions to Social Security from 6.2% to 4.2%, representing a loss to the Social Security Fund of $140 billion the first year! Forty-two percent of American senior citizens are kept from living in poverty by their Social Security payments. Nearly one in five Americans receives Social Security benefits and ninety-five percent of Americans have the Social Security benefit protection program. The poverty rate of the elderly was 35% as late as 1959. Now it's about 10%, because of the reliable Social Security program they have paid into. The Social Security Administration is an independent federal agency with its own revenue stream and depository fund: IT IS NOT A PART OF THE FEDERAL BUDGET! On March 31, 1995, the Social Security Administration was officially designatedas an independent agency. The Federal Old-Age and Survivors Insurance (OASI) Trust Fund was established on January 1, 1940 as a separate account in the United States Treasury. This Social Security trust fund system is one of the few programs set up by the federal government that continues to operate successfully. To take a sample year, in 2002, the SSS received $627 billion in checks, $453.8 billion in taxes, and an additional $49 billion in interest. Instead of red ink, Social Security made almost $102 billion in profit, to add to the trillions it has in surplus from previous years. Now, printing more money is fine if it is debt free. Debt filled money has been a problem, so populists want the government to cut money from the military industrial complex and spend money in our infrastructure. The government should keep their hands of Social Security. On the other hand, I am more concerned about people’s lives than budgetary deficits. We can grow the economy and handle the debt and deficit long term. Revenues coming from economic growth can assist our deficit and debt long term including other policies. I talk of helpful government since on many occasions throughout human history government can be helpful. Government has been corrupted when there are corporate influence, and the existence of oligarchy. Evil government can transpire when even undisciplined, corrupt human beings control the power base of the government.
Other people have talked about responsible fiscal choices all of the time. Yet, true fiscal growth doesn’t involve more massive tax cuts for the super rich when they don’t need them. The extremely wealthy receive record profits and there is record economic inequality in the world that’s undeniable. Now, some have called for infrastructure development. Some want the private and public sectors to have investments to grow state of the art transport, energy, and water system. A real pro-growth tax policy is necessary to give incentives to companies that grow jobs here in America, get rid of corporate welfare, make higher tax brackets for billionaires, and end the war on terror (that drains our economy in an oppressive fashion). There ought to be more of a resurrection of manufacturing and technological jobs in America. That is why I agree with a lot of the economic agenda from the 99 percent, not the 1 percent. The promotion of workers’ rights, strong financial reform, and efforts to preserve the social safety net is purely essential in prodigiously maintaining the essence of the American dream. Extreme privatization has caused tons of complications from the prison industrial complex to the commonly known corporate scandals. Also, helping your neighbor isn’t cheating, it’s a commandment. See, some view helping your neighbor as embracing hatred of success or hatred of the rich (some even falsely call folks socialist if they want the government to help their neighbors). I don’t hate the rich and I don’t hate success, yet even Jesus Christ (that some Republicans claim to love so much) exposed greed. He said that the rich will have a harder time going into Heaven than the poor. We know the reason about why that is. I don’t want the government to dictate every aspect of my life. I want the government to constitutionally protect the borders, protect my life, protect my property, and promote the general welfare of society. Therefore, the general welfare includes things like infrastructure, Social Security, and more social services to those that need it. I don’t need welfare, so I don’t utilize it. Others need it and it’s their right to use it. Rugged individualism was heavily responsible for the Maafa and extermination of the vast majority of Native Americans. This rugged individualism is a lie anyway since the Homestead Act was about federal dollars funding Western settlers in a multitude of ways. Not all liberals hate so-called successful people. People from across the political spectrum hate corruption, hate greed, hate tax cuts for the very rich, and hate an archaic economic system of Austrian Economics. People have the right to seek individualism and receive no governmental help. Other people have the right to get governmental help if they need it. There is nothing wrong with individual liberty and individual initiative. Although, there is something wrong with denying individual people their general welfare though.
The reality is that markets should be transparent. Rockefeller Foundation types perverted economic freedom into Austrian economics (or monetarism that is related to monopolistic capitalism). The Milton Freidman gang at the University of Chicago with agents like Lew Rockwell continues on with their propaganda. Ludwig von Mises, Murray Rothbard, and Ayn Rand’s views have been discredited, because selflessness (not selfishness) is needed to improve the conditions of humanity. Ironically, Lew Rockwell or the founder of the Ludwig von Mises Institute claimed that the Spanish Jesuits (associated with the University of Salamanca as the founders of modern “free-market” thinking. Ignatius Loyola was the founder of the Jesuits and he was a student at Salamanca (he was linked to the mystical Alumbrados group, which was a precursor to the Bavarian Illuminati). Even Carl Menger or the founder of the Austrian School was strongly influenced by the Salamancan Jesuits as he quoted them in his book entitled, “Principles of Economics.” The House of Habsburg, one of the most powerful Black Nobility families, was closely associated with Austrian economists. Carl Menger was the personal tutor of Archduke Rudolf von Habsburg and accompanied him in his travels for three years. Even libertarian Presidential candidate Ron Paul is sponsored by business magnate Peter Thiel. Peter Thield is a member of the steering committee of the Bilderberg Group. So, the establishment just loves anarcho-capitalism. History and reality prove it. Now, libertarianism is right to emphasize individual freedom, but it fails to recognize many of the imperfections of human nature. Humans are social beings, not just individually working human beings. For life is social and individual, not just individual. Self interest is promoted in libertarianism, but not social justice. You have to have social justice to have true freedom among everybody irrespective of race, gender, socioeconomic factor, background, creed, etc. Usury is even condemned in the Bible, the Koran, the Torah, etc. Austrians blame everything on the state, but they ignore money power or corporate corruption. We can live without libertarianism and communism. We can live with a mixed economy. Getting back money from the government via legitimate means is one thing, but eliminating all money from helping those less fortunate is evil in my opinion. I am not a liberal, regardless of what some say. I am an Independent. I love fair government. I don’t love tyrannical government.
By Timothy
http://www.salon.com/2012/02/05/the_progressive_vision_america_needs/
Monday, January 16, 2012
A Discussion in 2012 inolving the Election, Iran, etc.
My Words are in bold.
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IM Jan 16 7:11 PM
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t (Jan 16 7:11 PM): truthseeker
t (Jan 16 7:12 PM): any new pinto films?
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truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:13 PM): ONe is a video on the history of the Bible.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:13 PM): The link is found in http://www.adullamfilms.com/TheUntoldHistoryoftheBible.html
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t (Jan 16 7:15 PM): is it simply lamp in the dark?
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truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:16 PM): Yes.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:18 PM): Today is Dr. Martin Luther King's birthday in America.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:19 PM): So, it's a national holiday.
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t (Jan 16 7:21 PM): mr crowley song by ozzy
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truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:22 PM): That's an old song.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:22 PM): Many musicians love the philosophy of Aleister Crowley.
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t (Jan 16 7:26 PM): what led mtv to be a sex type of music video?
t (Jan 16 7:26 PM): have you watched hells bells 2?
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truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:27 PM): No, I haven't watched that video.
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t (Jan 16 7:27 PM): mtv sex crazed music video?
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truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:27 PM): MTV shown controversial videos, because they are very much secular humanist from the beginning.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:28 PM): They've shown the most controversial videos from the 1990's and now they show more controversial TV shows or awards shows.
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t (Jan 16 7:28 PM): do you think mitt romney will be the primary
t (Jan 16 7:28 PM): can he be possibly dethrone obama?
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truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:28 PM): I don't know. One thing is true.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:28 PM): MItt Romney is supported by the Republican establishment.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:28 PM): President Barack Obama is still a strong political figure.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:29 PM): He's a centrist man that is right on some things and wrong on other issues.
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t (Jan 16 7:29 PM): does he have a chace against obama?
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truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:29 PM): Romney is a MA moderate trying to act like he's a conservative for the past 4 years.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:29 PM): He's not moderate on economics.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:29 PM): He's just as reactionary as Wall Street in terms of his views on the economy.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:30 PM): Romney is trying to criticize Barack Obama from a Republican standpoint.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:31 PM): The President isn't to be blamed for all of our issues, but the President shouldn't issue drone attacks on a sovereign nation.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:31 PM): The President seems to want to compromise on many issues, while the Republicans refuse to compromise. Therefore, tensions come about.
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t (Jan 16 7:32 PM): i think obama is trying to give america to the muslim influence
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truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:32 PM): Romney against Obama will be a close election.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:32 PM): What do you mean the muslim influence?
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:32 PM): In America, we have the First Amendment where a man has the right to believe in whatever creed they want.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:33 PM): No Muslim should be treated as a second class citizen.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:33 PM): The vast majority of Muslim human beings aren't trying to kill us, to harm, or to desire some theocratic state at all.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:35 PM): The President just says that I want Muslims and Jewish people in the Middle East to have peace and equal human rights. There is nothing wrong with that.
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t (Jan 16 7:35 PM): true islam means smiting the head of its infidels
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truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:35 PM): I don't agree with Islam, but I don't hate Muslims.
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t (Jan 16 7:36 PM): those arabs are the ones that do not want peace
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truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:36 PM): Also, radical Islamists use a misinterpretation of texts in order to justify extremism.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:36 PM): There are many Arabic Christians in the world.
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t (Jan 16 7:36 PM): iran, like the others wanted jews erased
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truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:36 PM): So, Arabic peoples are our brothers like the Jewish people.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:36 PM): Iran isn't an Arabic nation.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:36 PM): Iranians are Indo-European.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:36 PM): The leader of Iran didn't say that at all.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:37 PM): He said people should decide the fate of Israel.
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t (Jan 16 7:37 PM): how bout the nuclear warheads
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truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:37 PM): Mose Dayan even doesn't want a war in Iran.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:37 PM): he's an Israeli military leader.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:37 PM): there are no nuclear warheads in Iran.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:37 PM): Iran isn't Iraq since Iran has a navy, army, air force, and thousands of troops.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:38 PM): America shouldn't be wasting its resources when we need to rebuild our economy.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:39 PM): Also, there are many Arabic people and Jewish people in peace groups that desire real peace in the Middle Eastern region.
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t (Jan 16 7:39 PM): do you think assad will meet violent end?
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truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:40 PM): Assad is the leader of Syria.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:40 PM): The people of Syria should handle that situation.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:40 PM): In my personal opinion, the people should try Assad with corruption and he should be jailed for his tyranny. Yet, the people ought to do that not U.S. troops or NGO forces.
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t (Jan 16 7:41 PM): is obama slowly becoming dictator?
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truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:41 PM): I don't agree with him on civil liberty issues.
truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:42 PM): I don't agree with him on the Patriot Act, the NDAA, NSA wiretapping, etc.
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t (Jan 16 7:42 PM): is it true that there are detentions, civilian arrests?
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truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:43 PM): There has been illegal detentions during the Obama years. The NDAA has detentions while Obama supporters claim that the NDAA detentions doesn't apply to US citizens. The ACLU still has reservations about the NDAA law still.
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