IM: I don't need to refute the link, since you have only regurgitated tired, disproven arguments from those who have already been discredited weeks ago.
Response: Please list the tired, regurgitatred arguments I've shown and disprove the facts which you can't at all.
IM: You should come by more often and you'd be a little more current on what has already been posted and replied to.
Response: I don't need to come here often since it's obvious you're an ecumencial. YOur replies don't refute the fact that Mel Gibson is a Traditionalist, part of Vatican I (a cult claiming I'm going to hell since I'm not a Catholic plus has the Council of Trent calling all of the Reformation beliefs anathema=accursed/false Gibson has publically said that his Church is the one truth church), the actresses are Italian porn stars, new evidence proves it's occultic nature, large portions of the movie are not based on the Holy Infalliable Bible but from Catholic mytics, Gibson himself have performed in trashy movies filled with profanity and using God's name in vain, and the movie displays unnecessary violence to prove the point of God's gift and sacrifice to man.
IM: I'm glad to see you admit at least that it is not anti-Semetic. That was the first false accusation hurled at the movie by Hollyweird. A recent survey actually reveals that for those who have seen the movie, they are LESS likely to hold anti-Semitic views than before the movie.
Response: Polls shows people's opinion not necessarily outline whether something is anti-Semitic or not. The movie isn't anti-Semitic per se. Mel Gibson doesn't have in my mind any anti-Semitic bone in his body. His father ,Hutton is a genius, but makes the mistake of beliveing that the Holocaust only killed 600,000 Jewish people which is false and an he's an ardent member of Vatican I. Hutton Gibson is most probably an anti-Semite. The truth is that some Jews, some Romans, and our sins killed Christ. This is established as historical and biblical fact.
IM: Feel free to post these links a few more dozen times if that makes you feel better, but nobody is going to convince me that I didn't see, hear, and experience what I saw, heard, and experienced. All of the accusations against the movie by those who hate it are completely hollow.
Response: It seems nothing will convince you of this occult trash. That's fine with me since you have an oppurntunity to wake up reject the truth about that gross film. Your experience or my experience will never validate a movie but only by the word of God. God's word is like a checkup list and this movie has failed goods. Just because tons of people (which you obsess about showing) have positive responses of a movie, doesn't mean that the movie isn't a deception. I've visited sites showing tons of people responding in opposition to it. I dissent with the movie and my dissent isn't hollow. I and others have tons of evidence by the links, books, and other research. You just choose to disregard it. God comes to man by faith not by sight and by the hearing of the Word of God excluding what I taste, see, or touch. Satan can transform into an angel of light, but that doesn't mean Satan is holy. This film appears as good but it isn't. See the logic.
IM: The focus of the movie is unmistakeable. It is the love of God for mankind that He showed through His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. I happen to believe that is the truth, so there is no great "deception". If you don't believe that Jesus came to die for your sins and be resurrected, then perhaps you do consider the movie to be a "deception" since that is the clear message.
Response: The movie has a good intension of sending the message of Christ, but good intensions don't cut it with occultic scences, vile actions, and Satanic symbolism. If a movie has unScriptural and wrong scences incorporated into it then I reject it. It's as simple as that. Numerous Individuals who disagree with it truly believe in the one and only sacrifice of Christ dying for us and the resurrection.
IM: This continued assault on the movie is really becoming quite a spectacle as the nay-sayers are growing more hysterical by the day. It's gotten to the absurd point where people who haven't even seen the movie are trying to convince those who have that they didn't really see what they saw.
Response: You are once again using false stereotypes. Many people who seen the movie like myself are opposed with it. Others who don't see it dissent with it as well. Some critiques are straight haters of Christianity and that's expected. I'm not growing hysterical, but I'm criticial and the contradictions are there.
IM: It reminds me of the tales of people who claimed to have seen UFOs and aliens and then get a "friendly" little visit from a couple of guys in black suits and dark sunglasses. The MIB ask the people what they saw and listen for the response. Then they tell the people "No. You are wrong. You did NOT see a UFO. You did NOT see an alien. You saw a weather balloon. You saw the Northern Lights. You saw ball lightning. Whatever it was you saw, it was NOT what you say it was. Got it?"
Response: I didn't know people who disagree with the movie are UFO-investigators. How low will you go? This is sad. The movie is pagan filth. At the end of the movie, Christ is naked out of the tomb, how disrespectful is that. I love dissenters.
IM: Well, the conspiracy Christian MIB who haven't even seen the movie can keep telling those of us who saw the movie what we saw or didn't see, but I can't deny it, and I won't. I have always had a deep gratitude to Jesus Christ my Savior for His sacrifice, but the movie only deepened my gratitude, appreciation, and love for Christ.
Response: Let me remind you one more time that I've seen the movie. So, you can't really bring up that false charge of most people criticizing it haven't looked at it. Can you increase your gratitude to God's without seeing the movie. I can. Can you?
IM: It has only deepened my desire to speak more boldy about Christ to others. It has only deepened my desire to love others as God loves them. I'm not perfect, and never will be, but I know that if Jesus loved me enough to go through what He did that He will never give up on me as long as I don't give up on Him, and I won't.
Response: I see no problem with expressing Christ's love to others or being an evangelists to folk. The comment about Jesus I agree.
IM: It was not an "easy" movie to watch. It was not a silly romantic comedy or sci-fi adventure, where you could detach yourself with the comfort of knowing that it is only make-believe. It was an artistic depiction of a real event, and while Mel Gibson may have used his artistic license, he did make "make up" Christ's passion. He did not make up Christ's infinite love for you, me, and every human being. He did not make up the beating, the scourging, the crucifixion, or the resurrection.
Response: The crucifixion is real, yes. There is no dispute to that. The most important thing to remember is that Christ's salvation wasn't a product of his beating, but by his Blood and death. When I've seen, I've immediately knew something was up. People metaphorizing, the andronynous Satan tempting Christ at Gethasame which didn't occur and holding a baby which didn't occur, Christ recieved strenght from Mary, etc. Those things are blasphemy and description Mel made up out of thin air. Goodness, You guys who support this nonesense will have to repent indeed.
IM: It was the absolute power and enormity of Christ's love for all of us that I took away from the movie, not all of the nonsense babbled about by people who don't any idea of what they are talking about. If Christ doesn't really love us that much, then, yes, you are correct and the movie is a fraud.
Response: Once again you are trying to align Christ's love with the movie. I can experience Christ's love without a movie. I can lead a good life without a movie and I can send people to Christ without a movie. Many Christians' criticism of the movie have already known that Christ loves all humans equally and died for all mankind. I know what I'm talking about and I wouldn't be so adamant about this film if I didn't have the specific facts to back myself up. People are saved by God not by a film and I won't be imtimidated by no man and won't accept this film throughout my life ever.
IM: I will take my chances with Jesus and that He really does love us that much.
Response: Yes, me too and I certainly don't need with a deceptive movie brainwashing fellow Evangelicals and Fundamentalists to ecumencialism. If this movie is doing anything it's brainwashing Bible-believers to be ecumencials. This may be the beginning of the turning point of us who aren't going to be part of Satan's lies and those who are decieved.
P.S. I've seen those letters and the truth is that we can judge on certain issues..Look at this:
Judgment
OT:
-Deut 1:17 Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall
hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of
the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause
that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear
it.
-Isaiah 1:17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
-Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
-Genesis 18:25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the
righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as
the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all
the earth do right? (refers to God)
-Hosea 12:6 Therefore turn thou to thy God: keep mercy and judgment and wait on thy God continually.
-Pslam 68:4-5 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him. A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, is God in his holy habitation.
NT:
-2 John 7-9 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
-Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. (This verse from 7:1-5 refers not to use hypocritical judgment, not any form of judgment. Even v. 5 commands sincere judgment by saying Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
-John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. JESUS CHRIST EVEN SAID THAT.
-Luke 7:42-43 And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most? Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.
-Romans 16:17-18, 2 Cor. 6:17, 2 Timothy 3:5, 2 Thes. 3:6, Eph. 5:11-13, Romans 2:9, 1 Thes. 5:21 Those verses maintain believers to Reprove false doctrine, separating from evil, and judging false doctrine which is very biblical.
-1 Cor. 10:14-17 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry. I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say. The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
-1 John 4:1-4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
-1 Cor. 6:2-5 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
By Timothy
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