My Own Words and Prose

A Discussion in 2012 inolving the Election, Iran, etc.

2012-01-16T16:51:00.000-08:00

My Words are in bold.

IM Jan 16 7:11 PM

t (Jan 16 7:11 PM):‎ truthseeker

t (Jan 16 7:12 PM):‎ any new pinto films?

t appears to be offline.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:13 PM):‎ ONe is a video on the history of the Bible.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:13 PM):‎ The link is found in http://www.adullamfilms.com/TheUntoldHistoryoftheBible.html

t (Jan 16 7:15 PM):‎ is it simply lamp in the dark?

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:16 PM):‎ Yes.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:18 PM):‎ Today is Dr. Martin Luther King's birthday in America.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:19 PM):‎ So, it's a national holiday.

t (Jan 16 7:21 PM):‎ mr crowley song by ozzy

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:22 PM):‎ That's an old song.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:22 PM):‎ Many musicians love the philosophy of Aleister Crowley.

t (Jan 16 7:26 PM):‎ what led mtv to be a sex type of music video?

t (Jan 16 7:26 PM):‎ have you watched hells bells 2?

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:27 PM):‎ No, I haven't watched that video.

t (Jan 16 7:27 PM):‎ mtv sex crazed music video?

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:27 PM):‎ MTV shown controversial videos, because they are very much secular humanist from the beginning.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:28 PM):‎ They've shown the most controversial videos from the 1990's and now they show more controversial TV shows or awards shows.

t (Jan 16 7:28 PM):‎ do you think mitt romney will be the primary

t (Jan 16 7:28 PM):‎ can he be possibly dethrone obama?

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:28 PM):‎ I don't know. One thing is true.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:28 PM):‎ MItt Romney is supported by the Republican establishment.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:28 PM):‎ President Barack Obama is still a strong political figure.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:29 PM):‎ He's a centrist man that is right on some things and wrong on other issues.

t (Jan 16 7:29 PM):‎ does he have a chace against obama?

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:29 PM):‎ Romney is a MA moderate trying to act like he's a conservative for the past 4 years.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:29 PM):‎ He's not moderate on economics.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:29 PM):‎ He's just as reactionary as Wall Street in terms of his views on the economy.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:30 PM):‎ Romney is trying to criticize Barack Obama from a Republican standpoint.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:31 PM):‎ The President isn't to be blamed for all of our issues, but the President shouldn't issue drone attacks on a sovereign nation.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:31 PM):‎ The President seems to want to compromise on many issues, while the Republicans refuse to compromise. Therefore, tensions come about.

t (Jan 16 7:32 PM):‎ i think obama is trying to give america to the muslim influence

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:32 PM):‎ Romney against Obama will be a close election.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:32 PM):‎ What do you mean the muslim influence?

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:32 PM):‎ In America, we have the First Amendment where a man has the right to believe in whatever creed they want.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:33 PM):‎ No Muslim should be treated as a second class citizen.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:33 PM):‎ The vast majority of Muslim human beings aren't trying to kill us, to harm, or to desire some theocratic state at all.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:35 PM):‎ The President just says that I want Muslims and Jewish people in the Middle East to have peace and equal human rights. There is nothing wrong with that.

t (Jan 16 7:35 PM):‎ true islam means smiting the head of its infidels

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:35 PM):‎ I don't agree with Islam, but I don't hate Muslims.

t (Jan 16 7:36 PM):‎ those arabs are the ones that do not want peace

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:36 PM):‎ Also, radical Islamists use a misinterpretation of texts in order to justify extremism.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:36 PM):‎ There are many Arabic Christians in the world.

t (Jan 16 7:36 PM):‎ iran, like the others wanted jews erased

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:36 PM):‎ So, Arabic peoples are our brothers like the Jewish people.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:36 PM):‎ Iran isn't an Arabic nation.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:36 PM):‎ Iranians are Indo-European.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:36 PM):‎ The leader of Iran didn't say that at all.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:37 PM):‎ He said people should decide the fate of Israel.

t (Jan 16 7:37 PM):‎ how bout the nuclear warheads

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:37 PM):‎ Mose Dayan even doesn't want a war in Iran.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:37 PM):‎ he's an Israeli military leader.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:37 PM):‎ there are no nuclear warheads in Iran.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:37 PM):‎ Iran isn't Iraq since Iran has a navy, army, air force, and thousands of troops.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:38 PM):‎ America shouldn't be wasting its resources when we need to rebuild our economy.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:39 PM):‎ Also, there are many Arabic people and Jewish people in peace groups that desire real peace in the Middle Eastern region.

t (Jan 16 7:39 PM):‎ do you think assad will meet violent end?

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:40 PM):‎ Assad is the leader of Syria.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:40 PM):‎ The people of Syria should handle that situation.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:40 PM):‎ In my personal opinion, the people should try Assad with corruption and he should be jailed for his tyranny. Yet, the people ought to do that not U.S. troops or NGO forces.

t (Jan 16 7:41 PM):‎ is obama slowly becoming dictator?

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:41 PM):‎ I don't agree with him on civil liberty issues.

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:42 PM):‎ I don't agree with him on the Patriot Act, the NDAA, NSA wiretapping, etc.

t (Jan 16 7:42 PM):‎ is it true that there are detentions, civilian arrests?

truthseeker2436577 (Jan 16 7:43 PM):‎ There has been illegal detentions during the Obama years. The NDAA has detentions while Obama supporters claim that the NDAA detentions doesn't apply to US citizens. The ACLU still has reservations about the NDAA law still.

t is typing.

A Discussion with a Christian again in 2011.

2011-07-28T07:36:00.000-07:00

t: tim

are palestinians on the way to statehood?

Me: hello

It is possible. It is not certain in now obviously.

All human beings have the right to be treated with dignity and respect, both Israelis and Palestinians.

t: its just the plo are unleashing hell

is it true that there is no such thing as palestinian nation?

Me: The PLO isn't perfect just like some elites in Israel.

There is not Palestinian nation from the past.

Yet, Arabic people lived in the region for thousands of years just like some Jewish people.

Nations rise and fall all of the time. There was no American nation before the 1700's also.

t: eh

why are many christians

apostazing

apostatizing

Me: It is for many reasons.

t: rob well

john mc arthur mc nanus mc laren

Me: One is that some Christians want to compromise in order to appear politically correct and with the in crowd with the world.

Another is that some Christians accuminate doctrinal errors in their lives.

t: not very good situation

Me: Right.

t: so its more of attracting membership?

more worldly

Me: You are correct about that.

t: and they are not easily slandered by people

Me: They are nearly untouchable unless they experience an extreme scandal.

t: they reject eternl hell what do u say about that

Me: Who rejects eternal Hell?

Eternal Hell in the end is the Lake of Fire where unrepentant sinners will suffer forever and ever.

t: is raegan christian like some say

why do some americans think the founding fathers are like christian caliber apostles

Me: He professed to be a Christian.

He was an apostate in my opinion. Many Americans believe that all Founding Fathers were Christians because of disinformation.

That's one of the primary reasons for it.

t: thomas jefferson rejected sola scriptura?

washington is portrayed as zeus?

Me: Jefferson was an anti-Christian that viewed Jesus as a philosopher and moral teacher not the Messiah.

Washington is protrayed as Zeus in D.C. via a statue.

Pagan images are all throughout D.C.

t: what do u think that will lead to the end times?

Me: The end times are here since Israel is a nation, technology is forming rapidly, apostasy is on the rise, and other prophecies are being fulfilled.

These events now are the signs of the times.

t: what will truly lead to the so called raptures?

palestine related?

Me: I'm Post-Trib, so the Tribulation in my view ought to come first then the Rapture.

Palestine in the end will be temporarily ruled by the Antichrist according to prophecies and then it will be the future headquarters of the new Kingdom of God on Earth.

t: post tribulation is indeed more challenging and darker

what will make us go into ribulation?

Me: The Bible says that God's children will suffer tribulation and believers in God will be beheaded for refusal of taking the Mark of the Beast in the book of Revelation.

Saints being beheaded means that some saints will see the Tribulation period.

Also, the NT mentions that God will come back to Earth after the 7th trump.

t: you want that time now?

Me: What do you mean?

Events comes and go in life.

The thing is that we should be prepared for events.

t: you know tokugawa ieyasu?

Me: I don't. Who is this person?

t: tokugawa shogun in japan

is stalin more brutal than hitler?

Me: Technically, Yes.

He killed more people and had secret concentration camps.

Hitler is shown more, because he destroyed much of inner Europe, while Stalin's crimes were directed in Russia and Eurasia.

including Eastern Europe.

Stereotypically, W. Europe is seen as civilized and E. Europe is falsely seen as barbaric.

t: is it true that the new heaven s as big as the US only lik the cube thing?

Me: It could be true because of the measurements.

Yet, the cube is the New Jerusalem not the new Heaven on Earth.

t: huh?

God's kingdom is as small as america

Me: The cube shaped building in the book of Revelation describes the New Jerusalem.

t: what kind of kingdom is that

some pastors dont detail it much

Me: God's Kingdom is worldwide in the future.

t: they say new jerusalem is heaven?

Me: Jerusalem is just the capital.

t: God is as small as america?

since it is God's throne

Me: The New Jerusalem is prepared in Heaven and will fall on Earth after the Mellennium

t: how abou the galaxies?

Me: God isn't small.

t: can we explore the outer reaches?

Me: The galaxies will remain.

t: these things are also flwed

Me: Well, you will have to wait and find out after you pass away.

LOL.

t: lol

maybe is it the whole universe will become the new heaven?

Me: I don't know about that, but that's an interesting view.

t: do u think there are multiverse?

Me: No I don't since the Universe has a finite reach being a creation.

I have to go now.

Bye

t: have you watched history channel the last days of ww2?

Me: Some of it.

t: what do u say of history channel

Me: Some of it shows accurate information and some of the shows omits key information pertaining to historical times.

t: ahhh

how abou the last days would you recoommmend that for me?

how about megiddo movie bias?

Me: Megiddo is more pro-Christian.

t: but is it accurate and objective?

there is such thing as pro to something bec its objective

Me: It's accurate.

t: even though its bias

its what it is

history as it is

Me: Being accurate is all that matters.

t: td jakes ok pastor?

Me: TD jakes is a worldy pastor.

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Sire,

The vast majority of poor people do not pay taxes sir. They can't afford a car!!! The amount of money they would pay in gas taxes would be tiny even if they had a car. The vast majority of poor people do not pay property taxes either because they cannot afford a house!!! Where are you getting your information from??? It is incorrect. The rich (top 25 percent) pay 87 percent of income taxes. They also pay substantially more in property taxes because more expensive homes have astronomically higher property taxes. My statement that half of the people are paying for the other half is without a doubt true.

It most certainly does border on eugenics. I am not saying that poor people cannot reproduce though. I am saying that we should have incentives to keep them from reproducing. We should give incentives to those who are most capable of successfully raising children also. To be against this is to be for the present system where we are allowing slag to reproduce and rewarding them for their sloth. It is completely immoral and wrong what we are doing.

One percent of the population owns a great amount in every country my lord. What does that have to do with attempting to make poor people accountable just like everybody else???

-bonzino

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Here is my response to you:

The vast majority of the poor and the middle class pay more taxes than the super rich. That’s a fact (as in both middle class and the poor not the poor alone). The poor may less taxes in the federal income level since they can’t afford those taxes simply put. Some of the poor have cars and some don’t Even people in low income neighborhoods have cars. We have a progressive tax system since a regressive tax system will harshly harm the poor and increase the risk of a higher poverty rate. In the past, there were much higher tax rates on the super rich. In that time ironically, economic prosperity came about from 1945 to 1980. Like I’ve said, federal income taxes are not all of total federal taxes. All federal taxes for the top 1 percent at 22.7 percent according to the Urban Institute/Brookings Institute Tax Policy Center for 2010 (or the top 1 percent of income earner pay about 40 percent of all taxes into the federal government). For instance, the top 20 percent paid 86 percent of the income tax, but 42.9 percent of the payroll tax. Also, the Social Security portion of payroll tax applies only up to $106,800 in income. Meanwhile, the middle 20 percent of earners paid 4.6 percent of federal income taxes in 2007, but 16.6 percent of payroll taxes. Also, the payroll tax applies only up to $106,800 in income, with no tax on earnings above that limit.

So, federal income taxes doesn’t equate into all taxes in the federal level or even all taxes in the state or local levels either. It should have noted that the income limit applies only to Social Security taxes. Some rich folks pay more in homes since we have a progressive system. That when those who have more wealth have great economic responsibility.

Also, you omit tax loopholes, some super rich paying no taxes, subsidies, and other economic kickbacks. Having incentives to the poor to not produce children is borderline eugenics. We both agree on that. A better solution would be to have unique programs to fight against poverty not the incentive plan. Also, historically many poor human beings have risen from poverty to contribute greatly to society (and we can have a jobs plan, radical solutions, and other means to fight against poverty without borderline eugenics incentives). Also, welfare should be reformed to give it to those who need it. Not everyone on it acquires sloth, but they are suffering. Poor scapegoating in our time is futile in developing a real solution. I know about immorality. It’s immoral to have illegal wars, it’s immoral for bankers to hoard bailout money, it’s immoral to have the crimes from super rich Wall Street, and it’s immoral for the super rich to cause the recession too. That’s immoral. Poor people are made accountable for their acts, but they are also made scapegoats for the crimes of the super rich. The crimes of the super rich include the recession, various wars, economic plunder, IMF corruption, spying, and various other scandals.

-By Timothy

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Sire,
The vast majority of poor people and middle class people pay more taxes than the super rich? I will need documentation on that one.
By your own account, the top 20 percent pay 86 percent of the income taxes. Then you go on to talk about Social Security tax??? Social Security??? My God Social Security? Social Security is a retirement fund. The reason people making over 106,000 don't pay any more into the fund is that their Social Security checks will be more than sufficient already. LOL. You think there is something wrong with that? You think they should pay Social Security tax on all of their earnings?? WHY? So they can have even bigger Social Security checks??? Or do you think they should pay those payroll taxes and then get a smaller check so that other people can get the difference? LOL.
Progressive taxation is unfair. Everyone should pay the exact same percentage period. Your contention that people from poverty have risen to great heights proves what??? Nothing. Most do not and most live in squalor. There is nothing wrong with paying them to not have children. In fact, I consider it a moral imperative. Both for the childrens sake and for the future of humanity's sake.
I am not scapegoating the poor. I am trying to help them. They are not well equipped to raise children in a technological age, and we must as a compassionate and caring society do all that we can to eliminate human suffering. A very easy way to do this is to give incentives for poor people to not have children and to give incentives to wealthier people who can afford to have children. Good day to you chairman.

-bonzino

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My response to bonzino:

Ok, I do believe that the poor and middle class pay more taxes than the rich. When I mean taxes, I mean taxes from the federal, local, and state levels put together (more than income taxes, which isn’t a majority of all federal taxes anyway). The truth is transparent on that issue. Social Security is a retirement fund. As for the payroll tax issue and the Social Security tax issue, I’ve just made the point that people who aren’t rich pay taxes in a sufficient manner (even in the Social Security tax realm without issuing policies changes in dealing with those specific taxes). Progressive taxation has brought much economic boon in U.S. history as history proves. Even your view of like a flat tax system is much better than a regressive system. Anything is better than a regressive tax system. We have progressive taxation now since loopholes exist among the super rich and we have globalization with the outsourcing of jobs overseas. This causes the super rich to escape much of their necessary taxation including offshore banking accounts. The progressive tax system allows the poor to not be excessively burden with taxes since they are in poverty. The poor have fewer resources than the super rich, so the poor are given compassionate policies. Some economic populists believe that a flat tax will benefit the wealthy. You don’t have extremely high taxes on the poor and expect poverty to cease. People rising from poverty prove a lot. It proves that not all poor people are inferior and tons of poverty has value in the essence of humanity. Bribery for the poor to not produce children is borderline eugenics, it’s morally wrong, and it’s a slick form of economic exploitation. Poor people have the right to produce children.

Not to mention that you conveniently omit alternatives to fight poverty like a jobs plan, a guaranteed annual income, infrastructure development, and other solutions without these incentives. You can even promote real incentives to promote corporations to build jobs here in the USA. The poor have raised children before you were born for thousands of years. They just need unique programs to improve their socioeconomic condition. Neoliberalism caused the recession and it can’t bring us out of it.

-By Timothy

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see the light wrote:
What about all the tax payers who are being charged for illegals from MEXICO-BRINGING THEIR KIDS FOR FREE EDUCATION, FOOD STAMPS,MEDICAL BILLS AND ALL THE OTHER WELFARE PROGRAMS. Being in Texas that's all you see.

This is what I hear in Texas is a lot of hostility from some people toward illegal immigrants. Illegal immigration is morally wrong. Everyone knows that. The solution is either between 2 major paths in my opinion. Either we form the approach of deporting every single illegal immigrant from America and cut all taxpayer resources sent to them. The other path is a reform system that deals with border enforcement, develop ways to better protect our borders, and have illegal immigrants who are here to compensate for their actions (and if they desire to be citizens, they need to pay a fine, get at the back of the line, face real punishments, and then apply for citizenship). Yet, I don't agree with punishing a child born from an illegal immigrant if that child is born in America. I don't believe in punishing a child like that like Huckabee said. Neither do I believe in revising the 14th Amendment to promote anti-immigrant rhetoric.

There is an increased deportation rate in America under Obama. That's a reality, yet you are right that it's wrong to arbitrarily give out cash and welfare to illegal immigrants. They shouldn't get any resources unless in exceptional cases (like emergencies or things of that nature) since human compassion is human compassion. Many illegal immigrants don't have malice intent (even though illegal immigration is still wrong); they just believe that they want to enrich the lives of their families. This issue is complicated and a one size fit all solution isn't go to cut, because if you say immediately deport all illegal immigrants, and then you will have serious problems in this country.

Also, I do believe in immediately deporting any illegal immigrant convicted of felonies though.

I see where you are coming from though.

-By Timothy

Links of Information

2011-07-05T19:23:00.000-07:00

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phantomtruth/message/16293

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phantomtruth/message/15466

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phantomtruth/message/15606

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phantomtruth/message/15708

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phantomtruth/message/14161

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http://dbsmaint.galib.uga.edu/cgi/wsbn?query=id%3A50270&_cc=1

Angels and Demons

2011-06-25T11:41:00.000-07:00

Note by Me: Certain people deleted this article from one site (not Scribd.com). This is what they don't want you to know. I knew the following information had a resonance.

http://www.apwin.org/wp-content/uploads/books/THE%20TRUTH%20SEEKER%20FILES/Deceptions_of_Movie_%20Angels_and_Demons.pdf

http://www.cypha360.com/14944612-Angels-and-Demons_1_.pdf

Thanks to the PDF that preserved my work. Because of this incident in 2011, I'm going to use more back up files and I'm going to double my efforts in showing the truth for now on.

Thanks for all of the real truthseekers in the world for printing my works, copying my works, and downloading my works too. Unlike other people, you have my total permission to copy my works.
It's a good thing that I have back up files of my Angels and Demons work.

By Timothy

Angels and Demons

On May of 2009,

Angels and Demons is a new film coming out staring Tom Hanks. Like always, controversy arises in this film. It’s based on the fiction mystery thriller novel that was written by the American author Dan Brown. That book was originally published in 2000. Ron Howard is the director of the movie. The "Angels and Demons Movie" tells the story of Robert (who is played by Tom Hanks) Langdon's brush with a shadowy secret society, the Illuminati. The film details Landgon's frantic quest for the world's most powerful energy source, in the company of a beautiful female Italian physicist whose father, (a brilliant physicist), has been murdered. Based on the novel 'Angels and Demons,' the movie follows worldrenowned Harvard symbologist Robert Langdon, who is summoned to a Swiss
research facility (CERN) to analyze a mysterious symbol seared into the chest of a murdered physicist. This weapon can kill millions of people. Langdon wants to work with the authorities to prevent the Illuminati’s anti-matter device from destroying Vatican City. The Illuminati in the film wants to destroy Vatican City, because the Illuminati and the Roman Catholic Church had conflict over science (plus religion). When the Illuminati discovered the power behind the origin of the Universe, the Vatican tried to kill off the Illuminati. CERN director Maximilian Kohler discovers one of the facility's most respected physicists, Leonardo Vetra, was murdered in his own secured, private quarter at the facility. His chest is branded with a symbol—the ambigramatic "Illuminati"—and his eye is dislodged. Professor Langdon also seeks the codes of Water, Air, Fire, and Water in order to stop the potential destruction of certain areas in the Vatican. These elements of water, etc. are found in Witchcraft as one interpretation of the Pentagram. The Pentagram is a common figure in the Da Vinci Code movie as well. Occult author Many Hall states in The Secret Teachings of All Ages, "The pentagram is used extensively in black magic." Former Satanist, Bill Schnoebelen says, "to the magician, the inverted pentagram has one use only, and that is to call up the power of Satan and bring the Kingdom of the Devil into manifestation on earth." (J. Edward Decker, Fremasonry: Satan’s Door to America p. 3). An occult magazine states, "The Pentagram is one of the most powerful symbols for the New Age." (Llwellyn New Times, Sept/ Oct 1988, p 77)

Eric Barger writes in From Rock to Rock, "The pentagram is a very important symbol used in calling demons. . ." (pp. 143-144). Like Da Vinci Code, it harbors disinformation about the real history of the Vatican and the Illuminati. Langdon and Vetra’s adopted daughter Vittoria work together to stop the Illuminati’s plans. The Camerlengo planted the antimatter in St. Peter's and feigned his last-minute "vision" from God in order to be seen as a hero (and the savior of Christendom by those who witnessed his brave acts). The movie says that the Illuminati thus had no actual role in any of the novel's events, and its "involvement" was merely a plot engineered by the Camerlengo to cover his own plans. As Langdon suspected from the very beginning in the movie, the Order of the Illuminati was indeed long extinct (as mentioned in the film). Brown falsely writes that the Illuminati were a group of scientists that included Galileo, as well as famous artists such as Bernini. The reality is that both men had died over a hundred years before the Bavarian Illuminati had actually formed. Dan Brown claimed that the Catholic Church murdered Nicolaus Copernicus. This isn’t true, because Copernicus died of old age at 70 years old. Some believe that this movie even covertly supports the Papacy (while overtly opposing the Illuminati). That is why much of the cast of Angels and Demons discussed the film project with some of the leaders of the Papacy. Conversely, the Da Vinci Code book overtly portrays the Vatican as the bad guys, while the Illuminati are perceived as the good guy. The researcher and lawyer Jonathan Levy believes that there is more to the Vatican than meets the eye. He’s right. The Angels and Demons film proclaims that the Vatican are the good guys, while the fictional Illuminati are the bad guys fighting against the Vatican. When, the truth is that both the Vatican (who have blatantly have unbiblical views like the
Rosary and calling Mary the Queen of Heaven) and the Illuminati are both the bad guys working in a Hegelian Dialectic in forming the new world order. A Hegelian Dialectic is a tactic used by the Jesuits and others where 2 "opposing" views or entities are funded (and they supposedly attack each other, but they are controlled by the same people).

Later, they are merged into one. One easy example is how Cartel capitalism and Communism during the Cold War were opposing viewpoints, yet each were funded by the Vatican (including high level Freemasons, the Pilgrims, etc.) and their central bankers (like David Rockefeller, Bonesman Averill Harriman, Knight of Malta J. Peter Grace, etc.). When the Cold War ended, Russia and the USA each in their leaders are promoting the same goal of the new world order. Yet, tons of Russians and Americans are patriots and are exposing the new world order though. So, I want to make that perfectly clear. The Dialectic is about thesis merging with antithesis to create synthesis. Hegel formulated the modern concept of the Hegelian Dialectic. Both the Vatican & the Illuminati have concepts that related to the old Mystery Schools of ancient Babylon (and ancient Egypt). Both cliques want an utopian world order and each tried or is trying to take over the world. Adam Weishaupt was a professor of the Jesuit University of Ingolstadt in Bavaria. He wanted enlightenment/rationalist principles to rule the world along with the destruction of monarchies. He loved the concepts of Pythagoras and used the symbol of the owl (or Minerva) to represent wisdom. Owl imagery relating to Minerva is found in the occult Bohemian Grove (where men praised a 40 ft. owl statue in a idolatrous way). That is why he formed the Bavarian Illuminati in the time of May 1, 1776. The Illuminati consisted of writers, musicians, and doctors. In the Bavarian Illuminati, there are degrees where members are tested in order to advance into a higher degree. Adam Weishaupt was a professor of Canon Law and was never excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church at all. Also, Knigge defected from the Illuminati and accused Weishaupt of being a Jesuit agent. According to the link of http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07661b.htm: "...But in 1783 dissensions arose between Knigge and Weishaupt, which resulted in the final withdrawal of the former on 1 July, 1784. Knigge could no longer endure Weishaupt’s pedantic domineering, which frequently assumed offensive forms. He accused Weishaupt of “Jesuitism”, and suspected him of being “a Jesuit in disguise” (Nachtr., I, 129)...." It's a fact that Weishaupt based his organization in the order of the Jesuits. The Bavarian government banned Weshaupt's Illuminati clique in 1782. Weishaupt was initiated into Freemasonry. The state of Bavaria banned the Bavarian Illuminati in 1784. It’s a historical fact that Thomas Jefferson supported Adam Weishaupt, because he loved his rationalist views on the perfectibility of man. Jefferson called Adam as a philanthropist. Jefferson would go on to support the evil French Revolution. Yet, to this day, much of the Illuminati’s philosophies are embraced by Secret Societies today.

According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, Adam Weishaupt in the 1800’s would ironically die in good
graces of the Catholic Church. We do know that Freemasonry is a Secret Society (this is one of the few things that Angels and Demons got right). Freemasonry's origin in the modern era is from 1717, but scholars believe that similar groups existed from the old stonemasons from the Middle Ages. Their symbolism is definitely related to ancient Egypt (33rd Degree Freemason Manly P. Hall admits to this), ancient Babylon, ancient Greece, and from the ancient Kabbalah. Under the guise of promoting brotherhood, the Freemasons mix the occult with Theism in their rituals and literature. Freemasons typically aren't even allowed to pray in the name of Jesus in any Lodge. JAH-BUL-ON is the pagan diety that is accepted in the Royal Arch Degree of Freemasonry. That's the 13th degree in the Scottish Rite and the 7th Degree in the York Rite. There are many similarities between Freemasonry and witchcraft like: both use a sharp instrument to place into the chest of the iniatate, both say "so mote it be," each are recommended and screened by a member to join, both have death oaths, and each claim to have the "Light." Also, Masons bow in the East before the "Worshipful Master." This is admitted by ex-Masons and ex-Witchcraft people. I've seen these people in a video, so THIS ISN'T A LIE. Many Freemasons try their best to do honorable deeds in their communities. The problem is that Freemasonry decieves people and accepts the concepts of Universalism, some forms of paganism, and some in its high levels have great power but do evil deeds. It seems like most of the evil done by Freemasons are those in the high degrees. The image on the left is the 47th Problem of Euclid or the Pythagorean Theorem.

The
47th Problem of Euclid is found in Masonic ritual. This theorem states that in right triangles, the hypotenuse squared is equal to the other sides squares. Operative masons used this principle in Geometry. Freemasons today are speculative alone. This theorem was popularized by the Greek mathematician named Pythagoras. In fact, Pythagoras didn’t invent this principle. The Egyptians before him utilized this principle in the Nile valley (even the ancient Babylonians incorporated this formula into their lives). Yet, Pythagoras was apart of a society with philosophical, religious, and political aims (I.e. an early secret order of his day that had secrecy). Freemasonry typically show that this formula outline morality along their members. The 47th problem is apart of the Master Mason ritual. According to 32nd Degree Freemason William Steve Burkle KT in his work entitled “The 47th Problem of Euclid-The Veil Lifted,” he wrote that: “…We, as modern Masons generally consider that this concept expresses the masculine and feminine characteristics of the GAOTU, merged in the offspring of the two…” That is why the excellent “Riddles in Stone” DVD, which was directed by Chris Pinto found that according to Manly P. Hall, the upright side (of the right triangle) is the masculine, the passive side is the feminine, and the hypotenuse is the Child (or the Masonic Christ that is related to Horus to the ancient Egyptians. Pinto says that this false Christ is the Antichrist as it is mentioned in Biblical prophecy). Hence, Freemasonry distorts the meanings of legitimate geometric principles to promote false aspects of God (since no where in the Scriptures outlines that God is a total female at all). The image on the right at statue of Athena.

Athena is the ancient Greek pagan Goddess of wisdom. Athena was praised by Sir Francis Bacon and is found in the architecture of the Masonic city of Washington, D.C. The Freemasons talk heavily about certain mathematical formulas that deal with building concepts. These same mathematical words allowed the Freemasons to built huge structures from the Washington Monument to the Statue of Liberty for centuries (The right angle to a Mason is meant to deal rightly and fairly to their fellow man). Even the mostly Roman Catholic stonemasons built the Great Cathedrals of Europe during the Middle Ages. There is a debate rather the Knights Templar are some of the ancestors of Freemasonry. What we do know completely is that Freemasonry did utilized Templar cosmology in their organization indeed. The Templars were a secret Brotherhood. In 1119. 9 Templars wanted to go into the Holy Land to protect the pilgrims (while covertly, they wanted to learn the secrets from Solomon's Temple and the mysteries). The Templars dug underneath the Temple of Solomon. The monk Bernard was involved in forming the Knights Templar. He translated Hebrew texts (He researched the feminine side of religion. In other words, he venerate the feminine side of religious thought). Ironically, the Knights Templar would be a group of warrior monks who fought Muslims during the various Crusades that was manifesting. Conversely, there are the Assassins and other occultoriented Muslims that wanted to promote the Mysteries in their own special way. The Pope and Prince Philip V wanted the Templar's huge wealth since the Templars were the biggest international bankers in Europe at that time.

That is why the Vatican
persecuted and murdered many of the leading Knights Templar. The Templars were charged of worshipping an idol named Baphomet, urinating on the cross, ritual murder of children, worshipping the devil and committing acts of sodomy and bestiality. Jacques de Molay denies these charges, while others believe that the Templars were guilty of immoral things. The rest of the Templars migrated into Scotland and Switzerland. In Scotland, the Templar's descendants would form Rossayln Chapel. Some believe that the Knights Templar would influence the development of Scottish Freemasonry. In The Deadly Deception, Jim Shaw explained that one foundation of all Masonic symbolism is Phallic Worship: "Since the true meaning of Masonic symbols (and thus, the true meaning of Masonry itself) is to be known only by the Prince Adepts of Masonry, we must hear what they say concerning them. They (Albert Pike, Albert Mackey, J.D. Buck, Daniel Sickles and others) teach that Masonry is a revival of the Ancient Mysteries (the mystery religions of Babylon, Egypt, Persia, Rome and Greece). "These Ancient religions had two meanings, or interpretations. One was the apparent (exoteric) meaning, known to the uninitiated, ignorant masses; the other (esoteric) meaning was the true meaning, entirely different, known only to a small, elite group, initiated into their secrets and secret rituals of worship. These mystery religions were forms of nature-worship, more specifically and most commonly the worship of the Sun as source and giver of life to the Earth. Since Ancient times, this worship of the Sun (and of the Moon, stars and of nature in general) has been sexual in its outworkings and rituals. Since the Sun’s rays, penetrating the Earth and bringing about new life, have been central to such worship, the phallus, the male ‘generative principle,’ has been worshipped and the rituals climaxed with sexual union in the mystery religions of Isis and Osiris, Tammuz, Baal, etc. In summary, then, since the Ancient Mysteries (especially those of Egypt) are in fact the Old Religion of which Freemasonry is a revival, the symbols of Masonry should be expected to be phallic in true meaning. This, in very fact, is the case." (James Shaw & Tom McKenney's "The Deadly Deception," Huntington House Inc., Lafayette, LA, 1988, Appendix B, pp. 142-14) Going further, some Freemasons and even New Agers not only embrace the Mysteries, but praise Lucifer. Recently, the New Ager David Splanger (who is supportive of the United Nations) said that: “…The light that reveals to us the path to the Christ comes from Lucifer. He is the light giver. He is aptly named the Morning Star because it is his light that heralds for man the dawn of the greater consciousness. He is present when the dawn is realized…” (David Spangler, “Reflections on the Christ,” [Scotland, Findhorn
Publications, 1977], pg. 43-44).

Madame HP Blavatsky worshipped Lucifer by writing that: “…The shadow of the Unknown and Incognizable Deity in Space. But in antiquity and reality, Lucifer, or Luciferus, is the name of the angelic Entity presiding over the light of truth as over the light of the day…Demon est Deus inversus: that is to say, through every point of Infinite Space thrill the magnetic and electric currents of animate Nature, the life giving and death giving waves for death on earth becomes life on another plane. Lucifer is divine and terrestrial light, the “Holy Ghost” and “Satan,” at one and the same time..” (HP Blavatasky, “The Secret Doctrine,” vol. 2, pg. 512, 513).

Blavatsky is a blasphemer of the highest order by writing that ridiculous quotation. The Angels and Demons omit that the Vatican has diplomatic relations in over 100 nations worldwide. The Vatican can produce propaganda. In 1622, Pope Gregory XV created the College of Propaganda. It had 13 Cardinals to establish foreign missions. One of Pope Gregory's accountants said that it's cheaper to teach them as sovereign neither of using force. Hence, the movie pictures the Vatican as a sovereign, moral authority when it isn't at all. The establishment is trying to promote this movie to advance the lie that there is a bad and good side to the Illuminati, when it is all wicked (and evil). The film doesn't touch on the real smoking guns exposing the Vatican's corruption (like the Inquisition, the tie of Nazism and the Vatican, the Ecumenical Movement, the real history of Opus Dei, and how the Vatican had ties to the ancient Mystery Schools). Opus Dei member Robert Hanssen was a traitor and spy who sold secrets into Russia. Other extensions of the Vatican include the Knights of Malta, the Constantinian Order, the Order of St. Francis, and the Knights of Columbus. The Knights of Matla was created in the 1100's A.D. Today, they head many corporations,
some are in Hollywood, etc. like Saxton (the head of Hollywood International), Edward L. Hennessy Jr. (the former director of NY Stock Exchange companies, ex-board of NY Fed bank, and he's part of Faliegh Dickinson University), Geoffrey Boisi (he's part of the Trilateral Commission, and a trustee of the Carnegie Corporation), Alexander Haig (related to COSCO), Thomas Monaghan, etc. Chrysler Austria is deeply connected to Maltese Order.

Giovanni Agnelli (of the Black Nobility family tree), was a longtime head of the Fiat motor company until 1996 and a leading Bilderberger. Agnelli recently died in 2003. According to Adnkronos, Agnelli was friends with Giscard d'Estaing, the Rothschild family and Lord Carrington, Katherine Graham, Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., Felix Rohatyn, senator Ted Kennedy, the writer Truman Capote, Andy Warhol, and international architects as Renzo Piano, Kenzo Tange, Norman Foster, and Frank O. Gehry. Zbigniew Brzezinski was another influential person he often met with. Agnelli was a member of the 1001 Club, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg steering committee, the European Round Table, and a governor of the Atlantic Institute for International Affairs. So, Giovanni was one of the most powerful men in the world. He was one of the leading Italian industrialists. Also, the elite want to use preemptive violence to overthrow our government instead of meekly helping our society. That is why Revolutions are a key tactics that the Jesuits and the Freemasons did to overthrow governments for centuries. There is a DVD documentary that talks about the Angels and Demons story that attempts to at least expose information about the P2 Lodge, the Illuminati, and other real issues in history. Secret Societies love the Holy Grail myths.

The Grail is commonly known as the cup that Jesus Christ drink during the Last Supper, yet there is no evidence that the Grail meant that. Also, the Grail is a representation of knowledge and to others it is the feminine aspect of the occult. In the work of “Parzival,” Wolfram von Eschenbach, citing the authority of a certain (probably fictional) Kyot the Provençal, claimed the Grail was a stone that fell from Heaven (called lapsit exillis), and had been the sanctuary of the Neutral Angels who took neither side during Lucifer's rebellion. The authors of the Vulgate Cycle used the Grail as a symbol of divine grace. The essence of Angels and Demons is that it's a continuation of the Da Vinci Code's deception. Da Vinci Code is a book that promotes the lies and endless genealogy that Jesus Christ had sex with Mary Magdalene (who according to supporters of the Da Vince Code book, Mary Magdalene traveled from Israel to Alexandria, Egypt where in ancient times had a heavy Jewish population. Then, she and her daughter Sarah traveled into southern Gaul where there were a strong Jewish population in the times of the ancient Roman Empire. Later, her relatives and that population spread into Europe to become the Merovingians) to form the Merovingian family.
Holy Blood Holy Grail isn’t just a deception about real history. It promotes the Gnostic Gospels in trying to falsely advance their blasphemous claims. “Hollywood’s War on God” is an action packed, excellent movie, which is narrated by Pastor Joe Schimmel. Schimmel exposes how many Hollywood films promotes Gnostic/anti-God messages from the Matrix to V for Vendetta. Nothing is new under the sun. There has been the mocking of real Christians. The mocking of real Christians continues forth today when you have recently the Department of Homeland Security calling conservatives (including gun owners, pro-life citizens, and some veterans) as equivalent to terrorists. Holy Grail" was published by Dell Pub Co, in 666 Fifth Avenue, New York. This book also lies and says that some British royals are related to King David. The new world order crowd wants to bash Jewish people and strip them of their history. The purpose of this is to promote the lie that real Jewish people are to be placed in a more Aryan/Merovingian format in order to justify their claims about wanting to rule the Earth. What is true about the Germanic Merovingian bloodline is that they are related to European royals, Presidents, and other members of the global elite. This bloodline have been heads of Freemasonry, the Druids, and other occult Secret Societies for centuries. Prince William is a Merovingian who is related to the Windsors and the Stuarts. Holy Blood, Holy Grail is a book supporting this distortion. “Holy Blood,
Prince William was recently inducted into the exclusive Order of the Garter. The Stuarts is a Scottish family whose famous descendant is the famous late Princess Diana. Also, these families and other Secret Societies obsess with the Holy Grail. The Holy Grail has many interpretations. 32nd Degree Freemason Henry Wallace wrote to Roerich (Wallace considered Roerich as his Guru) about his desire to desire the Chalice and the Holy Grail or the Stone of Destiny. The story about the lapis exillis is found in Manly P. Hall's literature. Other legends said that this lapis exillis gem fell upon Cain's head to give him his mark (Yet, the Bible is clear that God placed the Mark on Cain's head because he murdered his brother Abel in cold blood).

Cain in occult lore was a builder and his descendant of Tubal-Cain is praised in Masonic literature. Lapis exillis is also called the Grail. Hall believes that the lapis exillis is related to the Holy Grail. For centuries, certain personages throughout history have lusted after the goal of discovering the Grail. Adolf Hitler lusted after the Holy Grail, because he felt in his occult, sick mind that the Grail will increase the power of the Nazi empire (in order to fulfill his goal of a 1,000 years of rule). Hitler and the Nazis viewed the Aryans as a super race of people that survived the destruction of the civilization of Atlantis. To this day, many are pursuing Grail research. The Holy Grail can refer to the Sacred Feminine to occultists also. There are other sources on this issue: “…The notion that Magdalene was pregnant by Jesus at his Crucifixion became especially entrenched in France. Several French Kings promoted the legend that descendants of Magdalene's child founded the Merovingian line of European royalty, a story revived by Richard Wagner in his opera Parsifal and again in connection with Diana, Princess of Wales, who reportedly had Merovingian Blood…” (Secrets of the Code p. 13) “…The first of the Sinclairs to be born in Scotland, Henri St. Clair, accompanied Godfroi de Bouillon to the Holy Land in 1096 and was present at the fall of Jerusalem. He was accompanied by knights from eleven other leading Scottish aristocratic families. Representatives of all twelve familes met regularly at Roslin prior to the Crusades, and for many centuries afterwards. The group included ancestors of the Stuarts, with whom the Sinclairs made marital alliances...and were involved with the Templars throughout their history [and] with early Freemasonry in Scotland, with support of the Stuart cause. The Rex Deus legend suggested that the Stuarts were actually descended from among the ancient hierarchy in Biblical Israel….” (Rosslyn: Guardian of the Secrets of the Holy Grail p. 200).
A LOT OF FOLKS ARE IGNORANT OF THE DA VINCI CODE’S DECEPTION. THIS BOOK HAS EXPOSED THE DA VINCI CODE LIKE MANY OTHER BOOKS AND VIDEOS. Of course, I don’t believe that the Stuarts are descendants from the House of Israel. Some Christian scholars believe that the Da Vinci Code obsesses with the House of David, because the Antichrist might lie and say that he’s related to King David in order to justify his claims of being the Messiah. Yet, the Antichrist is a false Messiah. Ironically, one author of Holy Blood, Holy Grail is a Freemason. Many in Freemasonry regularly view Jesus Christ as a teacher and not the Messiah in their own literature. Freemasons like Hall and Albert Pike taught a Syncretism or Ecumenical view on religion. The Merovingians had connections to the Knights Templars as well. The major falsehoods of the Da Vinci Code are that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married, Jesus Christ wasn’t called God by the early Church (when Hippoytus called Jesus Christ God before the Nicean Council of 325 A.D.), the Bible was a hoax created by Constantine, the Goddess Mary Magdalene should be worshipped, and that witchcraft is fine. Paul wrote that: "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, BELIEVED ON in the world, RECEIVED UP into glory."
--1 Timothy 3:16 Here are other verses showing the same thing: "For unto us A CHILD IS BORN, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace."--Isaiah 9:6 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."--John 1:1-4, 14 "...CHRIST, who is the IMAGE OF GOD..."--II Corinthians 4:4 Jesus said that: "I and my Father are ONE."--Jesus Christ, John 10:30 "...they shall call his name EMMANUEL, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US."--MATTHEW 1:23

The book and movie of the Da Vinci Code believes that the Vatican uses Opus Dei to try to keep the secret bloodline of Jesus Christ from being learned worldwide (because this can ruin Christianity in general). I don’t agree with this slander at all. Da Vinci Code bashes the Bible. Here’s a response to that. Sir William Ramsay, one of the greatest archaeologists who ever lived wrote of Luke the author of the gospel and the book of Acts stating, “Luke is a historian of the first rank; not merely are his statements of fact trustworthy, this author should, be placed along with the very greatest of historians. Luke's history is unsurpassed in respect of its trustworthiness.” Also, the Gnostic Gospels are loved by Dan Brown when Gnosticism is about heresy. Gnosticism denies that the Creator God is not the good guy. Gnosticism teaches that we can be saved by Gnosis or some secret knowledge in ceremonies. I don’t agree with that view. The reason is that God saves people by grace through faith. Hall writes that: "The name Gnostic means wisdom or knowledge, and is derived from the Greek, Gnosis. The members of the order claimed to be familiar with the secret doctrines of early Christianity. They interpreted the Christian Mysteries according to pagan symbolism. Their secret information and philosophic tenets they concealed from the profane and taught to a small group of only especially initiated persons." ["The Secret Teaching of All The Ages", by Manly P. Hall, 33° Freemason, The Philosophical Research Society, 1988, page XXV; Emphasis was in original]. "The Gnostics were divided in their opinions concerning the Demiurgus, or creator of the lower worlds ... One group of Gnostics was of the opinion that the Demiurgus was the cause of all misery and an evil creature ... Some Gnostics were of the opinion that the Jewish God, Jehovah, was the Demiurgus. This concept, under a slightly different name, apparently influenced mediaeval Rosicrucianism, which view Jehovah as the Lord of the material universe rather than as the Supreme Deity ..." ["The Secret Teaching of All The Ages", by Manly P. Hall, 33° Freemason, The Philosophical Research Society, 1988; Emphasis was in original]. Note to mention that Albert Pike teaches that Masons must lie about their rituals: "If your wife, child, or friend should ask you anything about your invitation--as for instance, if your clothes were taken off, if you were blind folded, if you had a rope tied around you neck, etc., you must conceal ... hence of course you must deliberately lie about it. It is part of your obligation ..."--Albert Pike, 33° Freemason and Sovereign Grand Commander of the Supreme Council 33° (Southern Jurisidiction, U.S.A.), Morals and Dogma (1871), pg. 74 We don’t need to perform some secretive ceremonies to receive salvation from God. The Bible forbids this secrecy also by the following words: "Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing." [John 18:20].

Manly P. Hall said that Simon Magus was the founder of Gnosticism. Simon Magus was the socrercer who tried to bribe Peter for the sake of gain the apostle’s power to heal. Peter rebuked Magus, because he
was an occultist that wanted to bribe him into receiving the gifts of God (but God doesn’t deal with bribery at all). The Da Vinci Code sold over 40 million copies worldwide. A lot of these lies are based on the 1983 Holy Blood, Holy Grail book (Michael Baigent, Henry Lincoln, and Richard Leigh) that has used fraudulent sources. This book falsely views Leonardo Da Vinci as apart of the Priory de Sion group. Da Vinci Code makes the claims that there are 666 panels on the Louvre Pyramid shaped museum (The Da Vinci Code opens with the murder of Jacques Sauniere, curator of the famous Louvre Museum in Paris) when that isn’t the case at all. Angels and Demons is related to the Da Vinci Code story. Obviously, the Angels and Demons book and movie are a slick attempt to attack Jesus Christ (including the promotion of disinformation about real history). The ironic thing is that Brown denies any existence of the Illuminati at the end of his “Angels and Demons” book. That proves conclusively that Brown is a shill. Not to mention that Illuminati-related organizations existed for thousands of years from the Nine Unknowns, Alumbrados (This was a Spanish mystic group that Jesuit founder Ignatius Loyola approved of. The Papal Black Nobility bloodline of the Farnese family via Alessandro Cardinal Farnese commissioned Spanish Gentile and Knight of the Virgin, Ignatius Loyola to allow him to invent the Jesuit Order), to the Illumines of France. It’s better to follow the Word of the living God than look at a propaganda film like Angels and Demons. I forgot tell something. The Discovery Channel is going to show 2 propaganda pieces again about Angels and Demons plus Secret America (or the symbols on the Dollar Bill, our flag, etc.). I know what the Discovery Channel is trying to do. They are trying to present the lie that Masonry is just about charity and there is no occultism found in the group. This lie is exposed by high level Freemasons in their own books saying that they accept occultism plus the Mysteries in their organization. The Secret America documentary lies and denies almost any conspiracy existing in human history. Sorry, in actuality, conspiracies have existed for thousands of years. Also, the Discovery Channel is attempting to say that certain symbols (in American society) have no special meaning and/or that they aren’t related to the occult. Dr. Cathy Burns’ books entitled, “Masonic and Occult Symbols Illustrated“ and “Hidden Secrets of the Eastern Star“ totally refutes these lies completely. Even 33rd Degree Freemason Manly P. Hall admitted that he wants a new order on planet Earth (as other high level Masons do desire. This new age Utopia is supported by Theosophists and is represented in the false film of Zeitgiest) in his own words:

“'There exists in the world today, and has existed for thousands of years, a body of enlightened humans united in what might be termed, an Order of the Quest. It is
composed of those whose intellectual and spiritual perceptions have revealed to them that civilization has secret destiny... The outcome of this 'secret destiny' is a World Order ruled by a King with supernatural powers. This King was descended of a divine race; that is, he belonged to the Order of the Illumined for those who come to a state of wisdom then belong to a family of heroesperfected human beings.' (From 'The Secret Destiny of America' by Manly P. Hall , who is a 33° Mason) So what we need to expose this evil, but we need to come to the Lord. Coming into the Lord for guidance and help will give you the peace of mind and joy in your life.

By Timothy

Dialogue on Economics

2011-04-08T10:35:00.000-07:00

MAX JOKER wrote:

Tax payers have to pay for all these social economic justice programs..........
We are destroying our country with debt..........
And people don't have jobs..........
Even after all the bail outs

I do believe you that we should take debt consideration in solving financial matters. I prefer to decrease the debt in a firm way after we get our economic situation moving first. You may prefer the opposite. That is your right. Now, many social economic justice programs (like Social Security, etc.) are readily successful and some extremists want them to be cut (not for economic reasons), but because they abhor any program that are public period. We know their names.

People don't have jobs, because of numerous reasons. One is corporate corruption and the fleecing of AMerican jobs to be sent overseas and economically destructive policies that have transpired decades prior to the election of President Barack Obama. I don't agree with the Wall Street bailouts, so you have no complaints from me about your views on that issue. The fundamental point is that economic populism, some radical programs to have job creation (& infrastructure development), and a rejection of austerity are much better prescriptions to advance than just the status quo. I don't like debt (most people I know don't like debt), but I take consideration over people's lives above debt. I rather some real, comprehensive economic growth occuring first. Then, we should really handle the debt in a serious fashion afterwards. Social Security is solvent and is having a surplus now.

Taxpayers do pay for things as cited in the Constitution. Also, we have record low taxation existing in America, especially among the super rich. Some corporations pay no taxes, while having record bonuses. Is this right or wrong? The answer is it's wrong.

http://www.soxfirst.com/30394498/us_corporate_taxes_at_record_lows.php

By Timothy

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http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TJFB9GG3A44FTKV61/p2

If my taxes go for someone's child benefits or food stamps or grants to black universities, it is forced robbery. Get yourself a copy of the constitution.

-Captain Right

My Response:

You are really silly. I show his comments since this is how racist pieces of liars like "Captain Right" think. This is what they say behind closed doors.

First off, taxes are mentioned in the Constitution. I've read the Constitution before. I rather have my tax dollars go into food stamps, grants to any universities, child benefits, helping the homeless, etc. than immoral wars. Also, our infrastructure is falling and using money to solve this problem is fine. Someone else's? When a person is starving in America, it's not someone else's problem. It's our problem since we live here in this country and it's our responsibility to help human beings via the private and public avenues (since we are human beings).

Also, the government is made up by the people. Since the government is of the people, people have the right to use the government to assist those less fortunate. Using your logic, you can't use taxpayer money to help anyone whatsoever except in a very limited capacity. This isn't a reality since we live in the 21st century not the 18th century. The Constitution gives people the right to make new laws to help society too. So, your laissez faire economic belief system falls down anyway since using public power to create investments is found in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution

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THe Constitution says the following:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

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So, the government can use taxpayer dollars to build roads, promote science, build our infrastructure, and fund post offices.

It's clear.

By Timothy

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This line right here shows what you are all about.

Perhaps you care to explain why it is your business what folks do with the profits they 'earn' from working? Are you also angry that NBA stars and rappers are 'hoarding' the money they have earned as well?

Do you believe the federal government owns all wealth and allows private citizens to borrow it?

I really love when you go into the rant about how the 'rich' are not paying a 'fair share'.

Here is reality.

http://ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-tax...

The top top 25% of earners contribute 86.34% of the tax money that makes this nation go around. The bottom 50% of earners contribute less than 2%. Probably closer to 0% in 2011.

You need to admit that you hate capitalism and the free market system and feel that you deserve to take what you want from whomever has it and divide it up however you see fit and 'fair', comrade.

-Zaius

My Response to Zaius:

To Zaius:

Nice false perceptions, but it doesn't work on me. I don't hate fair markets. I don't agree with the extremes of Communism nor crony capitalism. You love how I use slick terminology. That is my M.O. You know what's I'm about. I'm just in support of economic justice and exposing corproate corruption. I'm about truth and the non-scapegoating of the poor. I'm about living my life and rejecting the Left/Right Paradigm. I'm about going foward in my livelihood without trying to brainwash individuals into joining the reactionary "Let's blame the poor and be a lover of austerity" parade.

You have the right to join the celebration in that parade as it represents your dogma. I have right to join another parade of social justice and love for real freedom. Now, the rest of your statements are interesting. It is my business to investigate cash flow. The reason is that we are citizens and we have every right to see how are taxpayer dollars are used. We have the right to use policies to prevent tax breaks or any other shady deals. A man legitimately earning wealth is fine. Yet, not every business is made up of straight arrow folks. History proves that legitimate regulation of business practices (not overbearing regulation) can have a stabilizing effect to prevent corruption. We have no right to steal wealth, but we have the right to prevent corruption when dealing with economic issues.

Are you angry that corporate CEOs ship jobs overseas, while workers starve at home. Are you angry that international corporations have record profits while record economic inequality exist worldwide (not only in America)? Are are you angry at some corporations promoting ecological disasters and labor plus human rights violations? See, the rappers and the NBA stars can't create wars on continents, they can increase unemployment, and they can't cause widespread ecological disasters like you know who can? We know who they are. NBA stars and the rappers should pay their fair share of taxes too. With much wealth comes great responsibility.

I don't believe that the federal government should own all of the wealth in the world. I am not a socialist. I do believe that the federal government can tax citizens and develop infrastructure as cited in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution. Borrowing wealth is a problem, but in the short term, we should create jobs for people first. Then, we can handle the debt and deficit issue more thoroughly. Cutting debt radically now won't equate into reasonable job creation.

I love my rants too. There are other sites that I can show and other studies that refute your claim that the super rich are some boy scouts acting in a scouts honor type of way. The reality is that income taxes aren't all taxes and they aren't even apart of all total taxes in the federal government. Here's another source from http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/04/20/1...
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"...While the richest one percent of Americans do pay about 40 percent of the total federal income taxes paid in the country, that’s a far cry from 40 percent of overall taxes. Even those working Americans who don’t make enough money to have federal income tax liability pay federal payroll and excise taxes, which fall much harder on the middle-class and low-income individuals than those at the upper end of the income scale.
Once all taxes are taken into account, according to the Congressional Budget Office, the richest one percent of Americans pay about 28 percent of total federal taxes, which is right in line with their 25 percent share of total income. And therein lies the real story: the richest one percent of Americans pay such a large share of federal income taxes because they make such a large share of the overall income..."

-By Timothy

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You sound like Nancy Pelosi. She has an excuse, as she is senile and obviously suffering from dementia.

"If you want to ban all government regulations, then enjoy child labor, poisons in our water, corrupt medical practices, massive discrimination, massive pollution in our atmosphere, and other evils."

Really now. Like you said, this is 2011.

Have you taken a look at China recently? They are guilty of all these things and we are borrowing 1.65 trillion dollars a year from them....and you forgot to mention massive human rights violations and outright slavery.

A vote for Obama is a vote to guarantee the black community will never recover.

"In 2007, best year of the Bush era, white households had a median net worth of $134,280, compared with $13,450 for black households.

By 2009, the median net worth for white households had fallen 24 percent to $97,860. For black households, it had plummeted 83 percent to $2,170, a near wipeout.

As Algernon Austin of EPI's Program on Race, Ethnicity and the Economy put it, "In 2009, for every dollar of wealth the average white household had, black households had two cents.""

I want all Americans to be prosperous. I campaigned and voted for Col. Allen West for this very reason.

The progressives want to keep you on the 21st century democrat plantation so you will keep them in power.

-Zaius

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To Zaius:
I don’t sound like Nancy Pelosi.I sound like a regular man. You are a pro-Tea Party person, so your apparent views are typical of your agenda. Now, I don’t believe that Pelosi has dementia. My quote about government regulations, poisons, etc. is one hundred percent accurate. Without those labor reforms and legitimate regulations, millions of people worldwide would die as a product of ailments. Not all regulations are good, but many regulations are decent. Even your Republican buddies accept some regulations.
This is 2011 and in 2011, we need safety standards, pro-environmental protections, and other authentic boundaries in our society since we don’t live in the 19th century anymore. It’s just that certain folks want us to live in the 19th century though. I realize about China’s corruption. I’ve written for years against China’s population control measures, anti-Internet policies, and human rights violations.

People from across the political spectrum strongly disagree with the corruption going on in China. Using that logic, you can’t trade and talk with Saudi Arabia either. You talk about borrowing 1.65 trillion dollars a year. Yet, you omit that Wall Street corporations are hoarding $1.8 trillion dollars. The war on terror cost about $3.7 trillion for the past decade according to the newly released study from the Eisenhower Research Project at Brown University. Some estimate show the cost higher than that.

Regardless, we should built jobs first (and financially grow our nation) and then handle our deficit plus debt problems. People are starving to death. So that makes me to make a priority with promoting job creation above the debt. I respect human life above the debt.
We have a huge wealth inequality that helped to cause the recession. Specifically, economics professors Saez (UC Berkeley) and Piketty (Paris School of Economics) show that the percentage of wealth held by the richest 1% of Americans peaked in 1928 and 2007 - right before each crash. The rest of your stats are very deceptive. Under the Bush years, the poverty rate increased as compared to the Clinton years. The Bush years didn’t have radical economic growth as compared to the Clinton years too. Bush Jr. caused a governmental surplus to evolve into a deficit after the Clinton years. Bush rose the deficit and under his administration, the corporate pirates have caused the recession in the first place.
So, Bush experienced worst economic conditions than Clinton and the current President Barack Obama inherited the economic tragedies from the George W. Bush administration. Under Barack Obama, he compromised with the Republicans and adopted even some reactionary tax cuts policies. These policies didn’t great massive economic growth since the current President was compromising with the Republicans & your Tea Party clan.

That clan is a real CLAN if you get what’s I’m saying. I mean clan as in clique, LOL. Also, the median net worth for blacks and whites in 2009 are tragic. These events are caused by the effects of great recession that transpired first during the George W. Bush administration not because of the failure of real populist economic solutions (which haven’t been tried in this time at all).
You have the right to campaign with who you want. Col. Allen West is a man. I don’t believe in following any plantation whether the Democratic plantation or Republican plantation. I’m a grown black man. I don’t to adhere to some plantation period.You love the Republican plantation as you have admitted to.
I reject plantations, but I do accept in populism. This populism involves investments, apprenticeships, ending the war on terror, and even creating debtfree money. Also, I’m not an ignorant fool. You are ignorant by supporting the same policies (like banker speculation, derivatives, corporate raiding, privatization, Wall Street crimes, war mongering, austerity, and trickled down economics) that brought us into the recession in the first place.

By Timothy

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Mr Zaius wrote:

You are confusing crony capitalism with true free market principles. That is why politically connected corperations like GE do not pay a dime in federal taxes yet their CEO's hold positions in President Obama's administration. That is why Warren Buffet and his corporation owes almost a billion dollars in back taxes accumulated over the last decade, is fighting the IRS in court tooth and nail, yet he is the head cheerleader for the administration to punish his competitors with higher tax rates.
President Obama is indeed a socialist. His rhetoric is no different from every other third world tin pot dictator with delusions of grandeur.

You need to learn the difference between a political speech and words on paper looking for a signature.

You actually are quite the whiner. I can only imagine what will happen when someone tries to fire you for incompetence in the future.

So, you oppose crony capitalism. That is a first. I don't agree with it as well. The truth is that crony capitalism doesn't work as you have proven. Yet, we have record economic disparities here, failed trade deals, failed tricked down economics, and record low taxation among the super rich class. Economists from across the political spectrum have mentioned that we need to do more than just tax cuts in order to solve our financial issues. We have to create jobs first and then use actions to massively lower our deficit & debt in American society.

President Barack Obama isn't a socialist since he doesn't fit the definition of a real socialist. He agrees with private corporations (beyond just crony capitalism), private organizations, and private services. A true socialist won't agree with almost anything private involving itself in the economy. He is more conservative than some conservative politicans in Europe. Comparing his words to a third world dictator is a silly ad hominem attack.

You can disagree with the man on political grounds, but some of your allies have taken criticism into the realm of just hatred. Calling for collective bargining, labor rights, and a jobs plan aren't equated to the words of some authoritarian 3rd world ruler at all. I already know a difference between a speech and signature on a law. You need to know the difference between true socialism and what Obama promotes. I'm not a whiner. I promote free speech, justice, and realism. You just falsely equate any black man striving to fight against reactionary lies as whining. I don't have incompontence. That's a part of your delusion.

-By Timothy

The Papal Fruit

2010-12-21T05:44:00.000-08:00

Why did I do this? In the past 13 years or so, many Catholic apologists have taken the side of historical revisionism to validate their claim. Many even support the Inquisition or say the Inquisition never killed more than a couple of thousand people. This expose sets the record straight indeed.

Roman Catholicisms Criminal Record:

I.In the 700s, Charlemagne became emperor of the so-called holy Roman empire. During his reign, he declared paganism illegal, but many thousands of people were killed as a result of that. In fact Charlemagne slaughtered 4.5 K to 5K pagan Saxon prisoners in 782.

II.In 1010, the bishop of Limoges, France ordered Jews to be converted to Catholicism or be expelled or killed.

III.In the 1st Crusade, 12K Jews were slaughtered.

IV.In 1147 (2nd Crusade), Jews and Muslims from Portugal were killed.

V.In the 2nd Crusade also on 1147, several hundred Jews were killed in France (cities of Ham, Sully, Carenton, and Rameru).

VI.The Inquisition came. It might of existed as early as 1179 A.D. Later in 1184, the Inquisition fully went under way by the Council of Verona.

By 1254, Pope Alexander IV established the Office of the Inquisition within Italy. Pope Innocent IV, in his instruction for the guidance of the Inquisition in Tuscany and Lombardy, ordered the civil magistrates to force a confession of guilt from all heretics by torture, and a betrayal of all their accomplishes, Papal Bull Ad Extripanda de Medio Populi Christiani Pravtiatis Zizana which was dated in May 15, 1252. This torture was reinforced by Popes Alexandris IV, Clement IV, Nicholas IV, Boniface VIII, and others from 1254-1303.

The Inquisition was a Catholic institution whose purpose was to exterminate everyone in Europe who dissented against Roman Catholicism. It spread to Poland in the 14th century and then to Bohemia and Rome by 1543.

VII.At 1215, the Children Crusade killed or captured 100K kids.

VIII.A crusade came against the Waldensians and Albigenses which was called by Pope Innocent III in 1208. Its one of the bloodiest in history.

IX.At Beziers, France, it was besieged by Innocent III to exterminate Albigensian heretics and an estimated 60K were slaughtered.

X.In 1235, 34 Jewish men and women were slain at Fulda, Germany.

XI.Also , at Minerve, 14K Christians were put to death in flames. The ears, noses, and lips of the heretics were cut off by the faithful (not-so faithful actually).

XII.At 1377, Jews were slaughtered in Beggendord at Bavaria.

XIII.From 1487-1488, a crusade was waged against Bible-believing Waldensians.

XIV.Burning of Cathari came at Minerve (140 killed)

XV.Massarce of Cathari also came at Beziers which killed 20K people.

XVI.In the late 1400s, Columbus had 2K San Salvadorian Native Americans killed for telling him they didn't know where the gold was. Even an esteemed biographer of the murderer Columbus, Samuel Eliot Morrison said that 1/3 of 300K natives were killed off between 1494-1495.

XVII.In 1506, the monks of Lisbon killed 2K Jews on 2 days even on Easter.

XVIII.Many conquistadors, all Catholics, killed many Native American tribes especially in W. U.S.A., C. America like Coronado, Almagro, Codez, Pizzaro, Valverde, de Meza, Gregory, Sepulveda, Valega, etc from 1519-1540s.

XIX.From 1540-1570, no less than 900K Protestants were killed in different areas of Eupore by Papists.

XX.During the reign of Pope Paul IV (1555-59), the Inquistion killed 150K individuals.

XXI.Queen Mary of England (a Catholic) known as Bloody Mary at 1553 executes about 300 Protestants.

XXII.The Bartholomew Day Massacre killed at least 30K Protestants(Huguenots) in 1572 at Pope Puis Vs command. Some sources say as high as 101K Huguenots were murdered.

XXIII.In the 16th century alone, 900K people were killed in Europe.

XXIV.In 1685 came the slaughter again of the French Huguenots under King Louis XIV. The Edict of Toleration, giving religious freedom to Protestants, etc, was revoked.

XXV.From 1790-1792, even Jean Antione Llorente, a Catholic secretary to the Spanish Inquisition admits to 300K Jews and Moors killed.

XXVI.During WWII (1939-1945), the Catholic Ustasha killed 487K Orthodox Serbs, 27K Gypsies, and 30K Jews making a total of about 544K human beings murdered at least. The main perpetrator of these heinous actions was a Croat named Ante Pavelic in which many Catholic bishop accepted is actions.

XXVII.100K Albigenses were massacred in one day in 1211, then burned in heaps.

XXVIII.Pope Puis IV sent the Italian army to massacre many women and children at Orange in 1562.

XXIX.The 30 Year War in Germany saw the population of that region drop from 15 million to 5 million due to Catholic invading armies killing 900K Protestants.

XXX.Catholics massacre 30K Protestants in Ulster, Ireland at 1641.

XXXI.The Roman Catholic clergy in the 1970s lead the Dirty War in Argentina with @ 30K people killed.

XXXII.Even more recently in the 1990s, a civil war in the region of S.E. involving Catholics, Orthodox, and Muslims. Its not all of the Catholics entirely in that situation, but many Catholics are involved in it. About 200K killed.

XXXIII.Many Jewish people were killed by Catholics between 1348-1349 for being blamed for the Black Death.

XXXIV.Roman Catholics from the 10th century waged war against pagan Slavs, Balts, and Lithuanians to force conversions. (Slav became synonymous with prisoner, i.e. slave.) wars against Slavic, Baltic pagans officially became crusades in the 12th century.

XXXV.In 1191, Richard the Lionhearted captured Acre and ordered 3K captives, many of them women and children taken outside the city and killed.

XXXVI.Begun the international slave trade encompassing Africa, S. America, N. America, Asia, the Pacific, etc.

Martyrs who died for dissenting with Catholicism.

1).Henry of Laussane (d. 114

2). Arnold of Brescia (d. 114

3). John Huss and Jerome of Prague (d. 1415-1415)

4). Sir John Oldcastle (d. 141

5). Jerome Savanorola of Italy, a Catholic (d. May 23, 149

6). Thomas Granter, a Lollard (d. 147

7). Thomas Norris, a Lollard (d. 1507)

. Matthew of Janov

9).Ulrich Zwingle (d. 1529)

10). John Rogers

11). John Molius (d. 1553)

12). Anthony Ricetti of Venice (d. 1542)

13). Nicholas Ridley (Bishop of London) and Hugh Latimer (Bishop of Worchester) (d. Oct. 17,1555)

14). Archbishop Thomas Cranner, a Lollard (d. Oct. 17, 1555)

15). Peter de Bruys (d. 1126)

16). Pastor Louis Pashale of Calabria (d. Sept. 9, 1560)
17). Derrick Carver

1 . Jacodopi di Rome (d. 1655)

19). Michael Sattler, an Anabaptist (d. May 21, 1527)

20). William Sweeting: burned in England, on 18 October, 1511

21). Anthony Peerson: burned at Windsor, England, in 1543

22). David Straton: burned in Scotland, circa 1531

23). John Hooper: burned at Gloucester, England, on 9 February, 1555

24). William of Orange: murdered at Delft, Holland, on 10 July, 1584

25). John Oldcastle: burned at St. Giles Field, England, on 14 December, 1418

By TruthSeeker.(Timothy)

10:52 am. EST

My Updates on the 2nd Amendment

2010-11-22T16:02:00.001-08:00

http://www.scribd.com/doc/12493441/The-Second-Amendment-Gun-Rights#about

Fall 2010

2010-10-31T22:20:00.000-07:00

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My Discussion with a Person on Zionism, the Holocaust, and other controversial topics

2010-10-19T07:25:00.000-07:00

ssj is Available

ssj : hi

Me: hi

ssj : atlast we meet online

where u're from?!

Me: I am from Virginia.

Where are you from?

ssj : I'm from Egypt

did u just call urself Truth seeker or do u really seek to know the truth

Me: That name was a psuedoynm and all humans seek to know the truth as apart of our curious nature.

ssj : ya u're right

U knw no matter where and when u start u must knw that the truth is one so all who seek the truth will just end uo at the same place

end up*

Me: In a way that's true.

Learning the truth is a life long journey and as we get older, we become more accurate on how we determine information.

ssj : U see we've reached to a common point I always say wat u've just said

tell me where have u reached so far??

Me: What do you mean what I've reached so far/

ssj : i mean what kind falsified history u've found

like wwar 2

11 sept

Me: Well, people realize that WWII could of been avoid in many times. Hitler intentionally didn't want to massively invade Britain and some Royals sympathatized with the nazis.

September 11's official story hae been criticized even by the 9/11 Commission, so that is why some people want a new independent investigation of it.

ssj : do u knw about the Thule society??

Me: The thule society was invented by occultists. Hitler had links to it. Some of its rituals are related to the New Age doctrines on Atlantis, Aryan races, etc. They hated Jewish people and Communists.

ssj : good but read more .... sometimes they put conspiracy theories with fact in a way to misguide u so just read more about the thule society

they hate Humanity not just jews and communist

Me: Some disinformation exists in some conspiracy theories.

Yet, they hated Jews and Communists specifically (which includes humanity as you say).

I don't believe in special favoritism though.

ssj : u know John Judge??

Me: I heard about his literature, but I haven't heard about the man's life before.

ssj : ok u seem to have been through this for a long time

Me: Yes, I've studied on these subjects since 1997.

ssj : wow and how old are u?

Me: I'm young. I'm 26 and I will be 27 later on this year.

ssj : not younger than me lol

i'm 21

some people believe that the Holocaust didnt happen wat do u think?

Me: People have debated on the particular, but the Holocaust did exist.

One death isone too many.

Blacks, Serbs, Gypsies, Communists, political dissidents, and others died in the Holocaust not just Jewish people.

Millions ofpeople in the Holocaust even if you deny that any Jews were murdered in it.

ssj : I believe that it happened but not the way we were told and its not Millions of people who died but like 6000 that's wat i heard i haven't made a study myself

Me: Over 600,000 Serbs Gypsies, and Jews died in Yugoslavia alone during the Holocaust.

So, that is more than 6,000 people.

ssj : and i also learned that the worl war 2 along with the holocaust were all like planned so that the Zionist could make their state in Palestine

ya u're right ?

I'm makin my studies but for wat concerns where i live because here also we are told lies about most of our history

and wen I read and learn the truth and try to explain to them, they just consider me as crazy

Me: Israel was rapidly created because of the Holocaust.

That's true

We are lied about our history, but that doesn't justify Jewish people being slaughtered.

Also, some of the extreme policies in Israel can't be justified either.

ssj : there's Jewish and Zionist do u know the difference??

Me: Yes

Jewish people are Semitic people or people following Judaism as a religion.

Zionism is political philosophy.

Zionism teaches that Jews have the right to live in Israel and form a political government.

You can agree or disagree with this philosophy and this is what the Zionists believe in.

ssj : Zionist claim that they are Jewish and that they follow judaism

Me: Some do.

ssj : while Jews are the real Jews the followers of Moses and Ibrahem

Me: Some zionists are Gentiles and others are Jewish people.

ssj : Zionist take religion as a barrier

Me: Jews are Semites or followers of Judaism. Zionism is a political philosophy that uses religious terminology.

ssj : Yes that's it

Me: right

ssj : Zionist knows all the Religions and follow none

and they know exactly where is the Truth but they hide it

Me: Not all Zionists are monolithic. some are indeed wicked and extremists. Some just follow their political philosophy.

ssj : We are Victims of a Zionist regime

Me: Oh, you live in Egypt and of course you'll say that.

ssj : no lol

Me: In 21st century, more people are waking up, so more people desire resonable solutions without extremism.

ssj : Really we are here ruled by Zionist and U are in the states ruled by Zionist

Me: World power structure is complex. Many Pilgrim Society members, the Vatican/Jesuit network, etc. have influence in America too. Also, many Middle Eastern leaders have ties to the Order of St. Francis.

ssj : Do u know secret societies

the Cabal??

Me: I know about secret societies.

Many of them beleiving in human godhood and creating an Utopia.

ssj : they believe in the Anti christ and for them that's there God

Me: yes

ssj : human godhood is something the fabricated but they dont believe in it just another conspiracy theory

like i told they understand all the religions so well and they've even invented some just to seperate people

Me: I disagree with that.

. Manly P Hall and oh have wrote about agreeing with human goodhood.

That's conspriacy fact not fiction at all. Of course, human godhood is an impossibility.

ssj : They have Fabricated religions and human Godhood is one of them and it has its own believers

and everyone is so convinced with his religion so he would call others to it

Me: There are unified moral principles and there are moral absolutes.

True religion reflects those concepts.

ssj : Yes that's true but wat does that have to do with wat i said ??

The Goal of the Zionist is to rule the world and take hold of world's economy and till now i believe they Rule most of the Arab countries like saudi arabia , egypt , jordan , UAE and more and they also rule most of Europe and Africa and USA

Me: I expose more than Zionism.

The Pilgrim Society the Bilderbergers, and the Vatican/Jesuit network are more powerful than the Zionists.

To only expose Zionism is only showing part of the puzzle. Also, the Black Nobility bloodlines have existed before Zionism existed.

Many Zionist leaders are apart of papal Knighthoods.

ssj : A Zionist won't tell u he is a Zionist he might be a christian a jew a muslim just anything

Me: What is the disinformation now?

Many Zionists have different religious cloaks, but it's a fact that Zionism is under the Pilgrim Society and the Vatican network.

The Pilgrim Society is more secret and more taboo to expose than the Zionists are.

Even though all nefarious groups ought to be exposed.

ssj : i believe that the Zionist made the Pilgrim society and the Vatican/jesuit network

Me: I don't agree with you on that point at all.

Constantine existed before Herzl.

So, Also the black nobility bloodlines carved up the Middle East to create tensions among Jews and Arabs.

You know this.

ssj : no i have no idea

did u write any articles or something i can read??

Me: I write articles all of the time in my blog

You can put TruthSeeker24 in google to see my articles.

ssj : ok thank u

its good to knw u

Me: right.

I have to go.

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Watchman: This discussion board is about Bush, not Reagan. Beside that, I'll not let this board be used to smear the reputation of the second best President of the 20th Century (behind Teddy).
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Preacher Bruce Evan Murch

Response: Yes, this is about Bush Watchman. Reagan being a member of the Bohemian Grove is a fact. Reagan passing an abortion law in '67 is a fact , he worked for GE is a fact, GE funded Hitler is a fact, and Reagan having many evil policies and being an honorary Freemason in '88 is a fact. That's documentated and isn't a smear. You need to get out of your Left/Right paradigm and see the real picture. Bush is wrong on many issues just like Reagan. I'm a warrior for the truth and don't back down to people trying to call me a smearer. It's silly for you to deny these facts.

By TruthSeeker24.

The truthseeker Eleazar: I won't post any of my Reagan exposes here, since this is a Bush expose forum, but you should know better. Reagan was one of the NWO boys just like Bush and Clinton. His conservatism was 90% false IMAGE (as opposed to Bush's 95%).

If you need proof, I can email it.

Also, Teddy was only the 2nd best of the century. Cal Coolidge was the best.
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Steadfastly slinging the Sword,

Eleazar

2 Sam 23:10 He arose, and smote the Philistines until his hand was weary, and his hand clave unto the sword: and the LORD wrought a great victory that day

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Escaping the Matrix (Pure

Truth)

What is the Matrix? The Matrix is Satan’s world. Just because sinfulness is all around us, doesn’t mean that we should accept it. We ought to speak our minds and act for real change and the true development of ourselves lies with our activity. God doesn’t move with lazy people, but with committed and believing human beings. The Matrix movie series incorporates Gnosticism. The films of “The Matrix”, “The Matrix Reloaded”, etc. express this very well. The rebels of Zion (an underground base of the real physical world) and Neo trying to find true reality mimics the New Age Movement and Gnosticism (from the Greek word gnosis meaning knowledge). Gnosticism is related to many occult philosophies. The early Gnostics believed that salvation and supernatural power was achieved by receiving esoteric knowledge (i.e. a secret gnosis, not just ordinary knowledge). They viewed the rest of the world as held captive to evil, while they were the enlightened remnant finding spiritual freedom and transcendence in secret wisdom.

God’s Word perfectly said that to not be hidden in understanding him and Jesus Christ said “I said nothing in secret.” The Word of God is apparent not hidden; therefore anyone has the possibility to understand the One True God without hidden “knowledge.” Hidden knowledge (according to them) is the key to understanding the world. The Gnostics denied that Christ came to Earth as a fleshy man, but in the appearance of a hologram. 2 John 1:7 rebuts this claim and John 1:1-18. To deny that Christ came in the flesh is to have the spirit of the Antichrist. They also view the spiritual as always good and the physical always evil when Jesus Christ and the New Jerusalem are physical and they are good. In the first Matrix film, Neo knows Kung Fu with supernatural powers, not embracing Christian ideals. It’s about occult empowerment. Neo also meets the female oracle. The oracle in the times of the ancients was a spiritual medium for false gods in Greek mythology. Of course, Deuteronomy forbids contacting mediums as an abomination. The oracle gives Neo ambiguous answers. Another Gnostic and modern culture tenet is that feel good experiences can be more important than reality. According to “The Words with Dictionary of the Occult”, Gnosticism originated from ancient Babylon involving religion feelings. Gnosticism like the Matrix defies logic and simple explanation, but appeals to human feelings.

People accept it even if they can’t define it. Occult religious feelings are more important to the Elite than facts. Ritual sex (as shown in Matrix Reloaded) was in pagan civilizations, Gnosticism, and today in this country as well. Christian Berit Kjos’ article exposed the Matrix Triology films as mocking God’s truth, while embracing Gnostic/occult symbolism. Even Monica Belluci’s [the pornographer from Mel Gibson’s movie of the “The Passion of the Christ”] role as wife of “The Merovingian” is definitely related to the Illuminati and it is so in your face, that it’s there. The Matrix series have plug ins and microchips in it. The film is all about the globalist agenda in controlling man’s mind into a Matrix and forcing mankind to accept this present world’s control, instead of really freeing our minds, opposing all occult Secret Societies, resisting the biometric system, and following the One True God.

Fritz Spingmeier mentioned the Merovingian bloodline as the 13th Illuminati bloodline. Their well-known symbols are the Knight Templar’s red cross, the fluer-de-lis, bees, the bear, etc. Prescott Bush, George H. W. Bush, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and many other prominent figures of history are all in this bloodlines as well. Some in British royalty are related to the Merovingians like Prince Charles and even Dan Quayle possessing high popularity. Fritz Springmeier also wrote that the top leadership of the Mormons (LDS & RLDS) are all related to the descendants of the Merovingians. Even Brigham Young (the founder of Mormonism) was a Freemason and practiced magic. Sibil Brigham was his grandmother and Sibyls were the occult “prophetesses” of the ancient world. The Merovingian bee symbol is also the logo of the Mormon church and the state of Utah. Many Bible scholars and other researchers of Mormonism (believing that man can achieve godhood which is unscriptural) have pointed out that Joseph Smith and many Mormon leaders were well-known Freemasons as well. Freemasonry is still wrong and not of God. Calling any human with veneration or adoration for an deceptive group is still wrong. Calling a man Master is still a violation of Matthew. Calling the Lodge not Christ the cornerstone is still wrong. Having bloody oaths with the Lord's name taken in vain plus calling out murder (even if it's symbolic and not literal) is still evil. Having a brotherhood of infidels is still innappropriate and tons of other points makes Masonry as having contradictions in their group.

According to David Icke, the Windsor and Mountbatten bloodlines of the UK were German bloodlines earlier known as the House of Saxe-Corburg Gotha and the Battenbergs. It's a well known fact that the Windsor family supported the Nazis and anglicized their names during WWII for public relations. American and British Freemasonry (Henry Ford, Schact, Thomas Watson, etc.) were known as to have supported Nazism as proven by John Daniel’s research. Even O.T.O. members admitted that their 1902 created organization have Freemasonic influences. English Freemasonry created the Quatour Coronati Lodge of Masonic Research in 1886 and many Masons back then supported the rebuilding of Solomon’s Temple (reported by Watch Unto Prayer Ministries).

Freemason George Bulver-Lytton (1803-1873) was the godfather of Nazi dogma. Lytton was the Grand Patron of the Societas Roscruciana in Anglia. His book Vril: The Power of the Coming Race inspired Madame Blavastky (a Theosophical Society member like Hitler and even Gandhi). Both Blavastky and Richard Wagner (an OTO member) had ideals that influenced Hitler’s perspective in Karma, root races, Eastern mysticism, etc.

As long as I have breath, I will expose the Abortion Holocaust, the population control agenda (when Africa isn’t seeing radical population growth and Europe is decreasing in its population), and eugenics. Many of the Rockefellers, Harrimans, Bushes, Duponts, and other evil people (who were pro-segregration, pro-abortion, pro-Hitler, and some were in the dark, evil Secret Societies of the Skulls and Bones and Thule Society) who tried to exterminate people back then are still here trying to have massive depopulation and a global government system. Billionares like Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, and Ted Turner are all promoters of abortion, sterilization, and population control now. Life is so debased that a Chinese cosmetics company is using skin harvested from the corpses of executed convicts to develop beauty products for sale in Europe. How sick and evil.

By Timothy

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Iraq

2010-05-10T08:45:00.001-07:00

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phantomtruth/message/969

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phantomtruth/message/1492

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phantomtruth/message/2289

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phantomtruth/message/4913

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phantomtruth/message/4786

More words

2010-04-26T18:57:00.001-07:00

http://truthseeker2473.blogspot.com/2006/12/my-response-to-mad-and-madthumbs.html

http://truthseeker2473.blogspot.com/2010/06/summer-2010-part-5.html

http://truthseeker2473.blogspot.com/2010/10/times-are-changing.html

My words on the Jesuits

2010-04-24T16:09:00.001-07:00

http://truthseeker2473.blogspot.com/2006/09/my-response-to-madthumbs.html

An article I wrote in September 2006

2010-04-24T16:03:00.000-07:00

Tensions arise atwixt (or between) Muslims and Pope Benedict XVI. Benedict quoted a 14th century Byzantine Emperor saying that Muhammad spread his religion by the sword. As a result of the Pope's words, radical Muslims bombed churches, a nun was killed, and an effigy of the Pope (Popes for centuries passed councils and decress denying religious freedom and they've oppressed religious dissidents) was burned. The Pope later said that he regreted for the reaction of the Muslims, but didn't explicitly apologize for his words. The truth is that after Muhammad's death, Islam did spread by the sword (not to mention that the Koran's Surah 2:228 calls men as superior to women). The Muslims conquered many lands by the early 700's beyond the Saudi Arabian peninsula. I would say that the Muslim protestors are right to condemn the obvious superstitious and false doctrines of the Roman Church like the Rosary beads, the Pope is called the "Holy Father," or a cookie is Jesus.

Never forget that Pope Benedict XVI was ordained to the priesthood by Archbishop Michael Cardinal von Faulhaber in 1951. He was also in Hitler's Youth as a child. All of these circumstances are effects of this "war on terror" where the CFR-influenced U.S. government is fighting against Muslim nations (that collectively have nothing to do with all aspects of 9/11). I do find it hypocritical for the Pope to cite Muslim errors, yet won't expose the Roman Catholic Crusades (this has nothing to do with real Bible believers), the Vatican support for the Nazis, and the other policies that were justified by much of Roman canon law (for example, the 1302 decree of Unam Sanctam made by Pope Boniface VIII claimed universal power over all the leaders of the world. Also, Thomas Aquinas wrote literature advocating killing heretics. There are other examples). I forgot that Pope Benedict publiclly called for a new world order. People want to unite the Crescent and the cross (a pagan symbol relating to Tau). I say forget the crescent and forget the sun symbol cross. Even though I disagree with John Hagee's fronting for the Bush agenda, he's 100% right to exposing the criminal acts of the Roman false Church.

Patriots (like Darryl Ebehart, Gary & Lisa Ruby, Eric Jon Phelps, Greg Szymanski, those in the Unhived Mind Forum, and many others) have truthfully outlined that the keystone of global geopolitical power are the Jesuits (Luther77 from the Unhived Forum recently discovered that Jesuit trained Christopher T. Rogers was a co-founder of Nextel and the present CEO is Timothy Donahue, trained at Jesuit John Carrol University), the Sovereign Military Order of Malta (SMOM or the Knights of Malta), and high level Freemasonry. Their influence extends from universities plus religious bodies to corporations (i.e. Knight of Malta Geoffrey T. Boisi is in the Carnegie Corporation of NYC and Knight of Malta/CFR member Dr. John J. DeGioia is the President of Georgetown plus a member of the World Economic Forum. The late Albert Vincent Carone was a Knight of Malta with Mob ties and ties with CIA agent William Casey).

I can't forget about the Knights of Columbus, the Bilderberg Group, Le Cerle, the Trilateral Comission, Opus Dei, and other groups with global impact as well. I've encountered pro-Bush neo-cons jabbering the same talking points. In actuality, grave problems fester in the U.S.A. whether from our civil liberties being threatened to voting technology errors. I don't have an undying alleigance to the Democratic or Republican parties. I enjoy the tenets residing from the Bill of Rights and Constitution like the freedom of religion and the right to bear arms. I will never cover up the many heinous atrocities of history from the Jesuit-trained Joseph Stalin's GULAGs (using NKGB killers such as Poskrebyshev and Vlasik) to the genocide of Darfur (done by Sunni, pro-Wahhabi Muslims). Therefore, most Americans aren't experiencing plight among the same level as numerous human beings in the Third World countries or the Middle East.

The torture controversy is on again. There is much spin by Bill O'Reilly and their ilk about it, so here's some truth. The U.S. government has been torturing people for centuries including the slave trade, evil experiments, forced eugenics (which states like North Carolina & VA had to apologize for), etc. The Knight of Malta/Masonic CIA tortured people in Operation Phoenix where many innocent men, women, and children (at least 40,000 human beings) were murdered for just being supposedly allied with the "Vietcong." Now, we have torture did occur among Western government (including the U.S.) The 3rd Article of the Geneva Convention give the right of humane treatment not only to POWs, but armed militias and volunteer corps. The Attorney General, Lord Goldsmith (of the UK) agrees that even those caught in the battlefield ought to receive some humane treatment. A PBS documentary discussed how General Baccus resigned in his refusal to torture people in Gitmo. Torture did exist in Abu Ghraib prison. General Janis Karpinsky even claimed that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld (it's interesting to note that writer SEYMOUR M. HERSH believes that Rumsfeld approved of the Copper Green program, which endorsed Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees, etc. according to Hersh) was an architect of the torture policy. Whether if that is true or not, we do know that Alberto Gonzalez supported torture memos that harming detainees close to death is Ok. Also, Bush offical John Yoo commented on December 1, 2005 meeting at Chicago that sexually torturing children by harming their testicles was ok.

Even Collin Powell (a Bohemian Grove praticipant and a member of the Pilgrim Society), John McCain, and Lindsay Graham oppose the administration goal of making "coercive interrogation" as part of the law. There is the case of Maher Arar, who holds Canadian and Syrian nationality.

Maher was tortured in a foreign land at Damascus, Syria and the judge found him innocent of his crime. If a simple example like this proved recent torture by Western governments, how can O'Reilly and others claim that Americans have never secretly torture anyone. So, to say that the U.S. never tortures is a lie. This is not to say that all military people or everyone in the American government torturers. Not everyone in government are evil, but a powerful minority. If torture was wrong for the Inquistion, it's wrong today.

Another lesson I will follow is not to embrace fear mongering. Once in the 1970's, folks believed that we had only a 12 year oil reserve supply, yet now we have found new oil in the Gulf of Mexico. The deciever Paul R. Ehrlich believed that our population would be unsustainable, but today the world's population growth has decreased since the 1960's (Columbia, Kenya, and Ethiopia have less than 100 people per square mile). America's population growth annually is not even 1% and many European countries have underpopulation. MARCUS WOHLSEN from AP on September 19, 2006 discuss how people are using a certain type of fish to fight against "terror." The fish are called bluegills - also known as sunfish or bream. The fish detect toxins in the water by changes in the fishes' breathing or other bodily functions. There have been riots in Hungary. The whole configation revolves around socialist prime minister Ferenc Gyurcsany's admission that he lied to win his election. London Evening Standard on September 19, 2006 reported on how Ferenc cut benefits and raised taxes. Budaprest was the epicenter of the violence by over 10,000 demonstrators. Fidesz (an opposition candidate) called on Ferenc to resign. This was similar to the failed 1956 Hungary revolt against the Communists.

You always have egomanaics in the world that are ignorant of history. I wouldn't encorporate a huge ego in my life. Instead, I will still witness encouragement from my peers and real Patriots. I'm going to believe in what I believe in. I won't become dismayed or compromise my core message. Also, I don't fall into deception. I realize that George W. Bush is not a real conservative Christian by his membership in occult Secret societies (the Skulls and Bones and the Bohemian Grove), being pro-abortion, etc. Many of the same people thinking Bush is a real conservative are the far left crowd and neo-evangelicals (some of them are scared of committting on real issues for fear of being called a "bigot.") Of course, I don't accept neo-con Christianity by worshipping Bush. Real Christians like David J. Stewart have exposed Bush. I will encourage others in exposing the agenda of an one world government to be active in helping others.

By Timothy

A Discussion with a Christian Again (My words are in bold)

2010-04-12T14:56:00.000-07:00

I have communication with the Christian today in April 12, 2010.

t is Offline -
t will receive your Chat message after signing in.

t: is illuminati not existent?

should i do=ubt thety dont exist?

Me: The Bavarian Illuminati don't exist.

The modernIllumianti as a network exists.

t: what illuminati is referredon apologetics

the one

in obama deception and fall of republic?

Me: The Illuminati found in Fritz Springmeier's research.

t: are knights of malta real?

Me: Yes

They are a very real organization who head many corproations, etc.

t: obama is worse than bush?

too leftrist

Me: Obama is a corporatist like Bush.

Obama is slighty more "liberal" than George W. Bush is on some issues.

Yet, they arre very similar in terms of their foreign policy ideas.

Each believe in the war on terror.

t: i thought obama will have the US soldiers retreat

Me: Obama wants the troops in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Obama desires permaent military bases in Iraq.

You know this.

t: did he promised he wil make the GIs come back from iraq

Me: Retreat?

t: i mean

go home

Me: I rather we retreat and have diplomacy than warfare for the sake of executing a war mongering, nefarious strategy in the world.

There is nothing wrong with the troops going home in a legitimate fashion.

t: is obama a candidate for tyranny

whats your stance on military bases in central asia?>

Me: The bases in Central Asia is apart of the geopolitical battles among the West and China/Russia for the resources in Eurasia.

Eurasia is one ofthe new battlegrounds for economic world hegemony in the 21st and 22nd centuries.

They are the new front in economic resource extraction among the elite.

t: 22nd centuries

we are not living that time

Me: Yes, the 22nd century is a new century, but many of our same problems will exist in the 22nd century.

I like to think ahead of time.

t: hope 21st century is the last century evahhhh

Me: That is your right.

t: i think mid eeast and israel war can explode anytime

Me: That is your opinion. I think evil people want tensions in the Middle East unnecessarily.

When a balanced approach is a purely overt remedy to advance true tranquility in that region.

t: is it bad to want biblical prophecy

Me: No.

t: happen right straight in my eyes

Me: It is bad to desire nihilism and evil to exist among innocent human beings though.

Bible prophecy is being fulfilled all of the time indeed.

t: is that true

earthquakes

are caused by elites?

Me: Technology does exist for that to occur.

t: what techis that?

Me: The technology is HAARP related or various scalar waves utilized in the Earth.

t: thats a some sort

of tremor generator?

Me: IN a way, that's correct precisely.

t: or some

thing

that can cause

abnormalities in tectonics>

Me: Earthquakes naturally occuring is caused by shifting fault lines in the Earth.

t: by the way is tectonic plates a prove ncause in earthquakes? which made tectonics move oceans? winds?

Me: Tectonics move by many factors.

One major way is the lava flowing in the crust of the Earth and graduation pressure in the Earth.

These natural forces move the crust and fault lines. When the fault lines collide, it can create Earthquakes and volcanoes to erupt.

Sometimes mountains can develop when teutonic plates merge as well.

t: is this cause an accurate desceription of earthquake "theearth rest on water and water rest on wind and wind rests on space when wind blowss it causes the quakes"?

Me: No.

t: winds blows water and the water made earth shakes?

Me: The Earth is on the crust moving around lava.

t: i just found it in an indian science book

Me: Winds blowing water is related to pressure system and other things.

Not an earthquake.

necessarily.

t: so not sufficient to quake?

Me: These pressures flow worldwide.

No

t: ahhhh

again to make it clear when winds blow trhe waters oceans i mean that does not cause quakes

sorry im recording this

for references

Me: No, the Earthquake can cause water to flow into various locations causing a tsunami.

Earthquakes don't originate the water flow. It can cause it.

t: so its more

the post

quakes

made water

violent

Me: Yes

t: than other way around?

Me: Yes

t: good

im just curious of your illuminati

article

i may find those

Me: Why so?

t: almost non existent

are they humans?

Me: The real Illuminati exist as a network today.

They are humans.

t: how bout reptilians?

conspiracy?

Me: That is disinformation.

I don't beleve in the existence of Reptilians.

t: will a christian go to hell if he does not attend church?

Me: Not necessarily.

A church is important though.

I want to make this clear. A church isn't just some big cathedral.

A church can be a smaller location that can assist people's spiritual needs.

t: being a lone christian is a weak one?

easily fooled?

Me: Being a lone Christian isn't someone who's weak.

With God, you're not alone anyway.

It is better though to link up with like minded Christians.

t: my friend told me sionce im not church active

he says

a loner

might bew easily influenced by aberrants

Me: That isn't true per se.

NOt all people alone are manipulated by the wiles of the world.

t: so still possible be a discerned cjhristian

despte loner?

Me: Yes

t: how bout you?

Me: About what?

t: nnothung

are ancient egyptians blacks?

Me: Many are as proven by the Nubian rule over there in the 7th century B.C.

t: the seti ramesses?

Me: Totally, ancient Egyptians are a mixture of different people.

Some Egyptians are black and some aren't.

t: is cleopatra portrayed by elizabeth taylor accurate?

Me: It depends on the time and region of the history in that ancient part of the world.

Cleopatra?

ha ha.

No.

t: why not accurate?

Me: The reason is that the time of Cleopatra and the Roman generals were more bloody and contenious than what the movie presented.

Her bloodline mixed with the Romans indeed as time carried forth beyond that era.

t: how about the cleopatr by leonor varela

and billy zane?

Me: I don't know about that story.

t: is amrk antony

a tyrant

Me: Yes.

He wanted to rule all of the Roman Empire as its solitary ruler.

t: i thought octavian the villain

Me: I don't believe in having a love affair with the concept of tyranny.

Tyrants are wrong regardless of where they reside in the 4 corners of the Earth.

Augustus took his spot .

t: augustus really really evil?

or just moderate?

Me: He was evil.

He was a pagan, he used imperialism against his fellow human beings, and he was a strong pagan.

t: made order in rome

what a credit

Me: Order?

Imperialism isn't order.

That's a benevolent dictatorship.

Israel being ruled by Roman imperialists is just wrong period.

I reject that fake form of social/political order.

By Timothy

Another Dialogue with a Christian

2010-04-01T07:11:00.001-07:00

t: tim

are there

holyweek in the US?

do u celebrate good friday?

Me: no

We're not required to celebrate that.

There is nothing wrong with spiritual comptemplation on the resurrection of Jesus Christ though.

I'm a non-conformist personally.

I don't believe in doing things for the sake of doing it.

t: i think your stance are slowly becoming politically correct?

Me: I believe in independent thinking to achieve succint thinking.

How so?

t: you lov e arabs

?

i think we should love the jewish people

Me: You love all human beings regardless of background.

We should love Jewish people and Arabic people equally.

t: i dont feel im gona love terrorist

Me: I guess you do realize that many Arabic people are Christians.

t: muslims

Me: Most Arabic people aren't terrorists and you know this.

t: domnant faith

Me: Most Muslims aren't even of Arabic descent.

So, this is not being politically correct.

t: saudi all muslims

98 percent

Me: It's about being politically tolerant and respectful.

Indonesia have more Muslims than Saudi Arabia.

Most Muslims aren't of Arabic descent.

Also, most Muslims don't believe in Wahabbi ideology.

t: is terrorism in islam

Me: The British elite funded the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood.

t: literal?

or originally intended

Me: Terrorism made by some Muslims aren't justified.

Yet, these people are a minority.

t: muhammad do chopped heads

Me: I think you conflate Muslim with Arabic, which is baiting.

You know that many Arabic people are Christians.

t: why they are encourage

to

studyu islam arabic

Me: Also, Muhammad is one man.

t: if its universal

Me: I don't believe in Muhammad.

You can study Islam to see where many Muslims come from and offer legitimate rebuttals to their faith in a authentic fashion.

t: you believe in muhammad?

this is madness!

Me: No

I believe in God.

Muhammad was a false prophet.

t: ahahaha

Me: Yet, you seem to scapegoat.

I don't follow the neo con's ideology of scapegoats people of a different faith than me.

t: why people

enjoyed working

in america even more than in europe?

Me: It's culturally different in the USA.

t: filipinos felt at homw in the US

Me: We typically are very competitive and in America, there is less vacation time than in Europe.

t: going to US is more than tourism

they go there to find a greener pasture

Me: Europeans have more free time and more oppurtunities for benefits.

Greener pasture? Not everything in America are peaches and cream.

America has more freedom than some countries in Europe.

That's true.

Yet, Americans are a whole lot more materialistic than Europeans.

t: are we in the end times?

i felt so

many earthquakes

Me: I think so.

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Me: I don't think Iran has an active nuclear weapons program for a military usage.

Iran is ruled by a cruel dictator and the citizens of Iran deserve their own freedom and tranquility. That is true.

t: is ramesses a tyrant?

Me: Technically yes

He was an authoritarian ruler in ancient Egypt.

t: how bout king david?

Me: He was a monarch in a theocracy.

You can make the case that David wasn't a tyrant in the league of other tyrants.

I don't believe in theocracies.

t: ramesses is a god king

Me: He called himself that.

Indeed.

t: why do people believe he is a god clearly he is human like us

Me: That's blasphemy of course. He ruled in the peak of ancient Egyptian military power.

Some people followed the false concept of hero worship and the inaccurate belief of man being a god (which relates to pagan principles).

t: do u think

the notion

of prove your worth is misleading?

Me: What do you mean?

t: people say

they will respect you when you proved your worth

Me: A human being doesn't need anyone's respect.

Except for God's approval.

Now, you being born proves your worth equally to every human.

t: do u think we humans should prove our worth?

Me: no

t: then no

development

Me: We prove our worth to God alone.

We have development in our lives and morality, but we shouldn't suck up toward anyone.

t: caligula made his horse a senator

Me: right

He was apart of the Julio-Claudian bloodline I think.

t: so americans despite tyranny?

despise

Me: Most Americans do.

We like individual liberty and personal freedom.

t: whats your comment on the dalai lama?

Me: That is why the Bill of Rights was created in the first place even though sometimes America doesn't practice what they preach.

The Dalai Lama is a Buddhist leader.

t: is he genuinely compassionate and kind?

Me: Tibet should have independence, but the Dalai Lama isn't perfect.

I have to look into this man to see the total picture of him.

IN the USA, the media shows one side of him being compassionate and loving.

t: ok?

then?

whats the point men\

Me: Webster Tarpley criticizes him.

t: he says kindness and love is his religion

criticize of what?

Me: He feels that he has ties to the CIA and the intelligence community, etc.

He thinks that he possessed feign peity, etc.

t: dalai lama is more of a PC leader

Me: I see.

______________________________

t: is pope john paul perfecrt

?

are popes connected to the julio claudian concept?

is a pope king or a priest?

Me: The Pope acts like a King.

The Pope has no relation to the Bible. Its origin is from the ancient Mystery schools of Babylon and Egypt. Even his mitre relates to Dagon or the Semitic fish god.

t: thats chick;s

fantasy

im not sure of that

all i know he is a false teacher thats all but being meticulous im not that concerned

i ask is the pope role similar to a caesar?

Me: He is similar to the concept of a Caesar.

He calls himself Holy Father, which is blasphemy.

He think he's some representative of God on Earth when there is no evidence for that at all.

t: absolutely none

Me: CHick in my mind is right on that.

t: i find the semiramis

Me: That isn't a fantasy to outline the Dagon link.

t: a bit unbelievable

Me: Semiramis is different than the mitre though.

t: is the semiramis

tale true?

accd to chick version?

Me: It's most probably based on a Mesopotamian person after Nimrod's time.

t: have you seen the movie

holy family?

Me: No

What is that movie about?

t: the movie about the young jesus

My Dialogue with another Christian Part 2

2010-03-30T12:40:00.001-07:00

hello

Me: hello

t: i try to apply in our US embassy

since im an american studies major

Me: Why so?

t: hopefully i can

say to the hr

what i learned from you

america is awesome i wonder

foreigners

made their names in the US

Me: What does hr mean?

t: human resource

Me: America has a lot of freedom, but the materialism here is out of control.

Even in the rural areas, it's abundant.

t: i love the dow jobes history

do u like julius caesar is he great

hopefully ill be like him

great leader

Me: ha aha

JUlius Caesar was a great dictator.

He was an imperialist that harmed the Celts in Gaul and other places in Europe.

You do know this right.

t: iknew

he defeated

vercingetorix

Me: The Celts wanted their freedom absent Roman imperialism.

Vercingetorix was captured and exploited by Julius Caesar's forces.

t: they just get squashed

Me: He ended the Roman Republic.

officially

t: so thats the reason of his murder

is caesar also

lustful?

Me: He was murdered for numerous reasons.

The Senators were jealous of his power being in an authoritarian fashion.

So, they decided to assassinate him.

t: they should talk to him first

through diplomacy

than murder him\

Me: They should at a bare minimum have a trial than just kill him.

Yes

t: but you think caesar

is all about

himself

even

\diplomacy and peaceful means

cant convince him?

Me: I think the Caesar concept is a distortion of a true free society.

That concept is based in authoritianism and unjustified control over the common people.

The Caesar is a fascist wanting unitary power that restricts power given unto the people.

The government is by and for the people as Lincoln said.

t: rome tht time is chaotic

Me: Yes

t: so caesar has no choice but to

calm the people

Me: I disagree with you on that since alternatives are certainly necessary to solve the tramatic time.

t: so there are still other choices than

caesarism>?

Me: Yes

A Republic.

Me: Yes

t: whats the source

of roman's violence?

bec of pagan religion

Me: Rome had violence because of political disagreements among their many factions.

this is similar to the Civil War that we had in the USA.

t: whats your take if you want a solution?

Me: A solution would be radical reforms in the ancient Roman world and a revitization of the Republican form of government.

t: america does hate dictators

thats why you defeated the british

Me: Yes

We hate tyranny.

t: so america defeated the british courtesy of benjamin's diplomacy in france for support?

Me: Not exactly.

America relied on French support.

Also, similar to Vietnam, the British were extend thousands of miles of resources.

The Americans knew their own territory better than the British to defeat them in guerilla warfare tactics.

t: so i cannot say

it is by france's help

you toppled

cornwallis

Me: The US did have France's help though.

That is true

t: hope china

became a superpower

Me: Why so?

t: bec they are rising

economically and

Me: China should reform its religious and political liberty policies.

t: their influence are

becoming bigger

Me: Then, I will very happy.

t: market factor

cultural factor

Me: We should wish the best for China since China is apart of the human family.

t: olympics

Me: China has great blessings.

t: america will be over

as a superpower

Me: Nothing is set in stone.

Once people said that America would be defeated by the British.

That didn't occur.

So, in 3-4 decades, America could radically improve its economic state.

________________________________________

Me: Jesus Christ is God, so he would handle a M16.

t: my atheist friend

ridiculed me

of crucifizion the most humilating

death

he even mentioned

gas chamber

cremation

are worse form of death

or

ala

medieval inquisiton

mutilation

all are worst than crucifixion\

?

did jesus really died through a worst form of death ever known?

Me: It's hard to say.

He bared the burden of the whole sins of the whole world.

So, that experience consists of the most heavy emotional burden in human history.

He survived, resurrected, and seats at the right hand of God the Father.

t: why are the julian claudian emperoe were all psychopaths?

Me: I don't know about that.

t: caligula claudius nero

Me: Some of them of the Julio-Claudian bloodline were evil.

t: are all very evil dictators

Me: That's true.

Nero married a horse.

t: i love nero as a ruler

too brutal

Me: ?

Nero killed Christians after the Christians were falsely blamed for the fire in Rome.

t: nero is one of a uman incarnation of a demon

literally

possessed

freak

why he married a horse

whats up on his mind that time?

Me: He's a sick person.

t: is it possible to lead him to christ?

Me: Now, no since he's dead.

t: when hes alive?

is it?

Me: Yes

t: thutmosis is the pharaoh of exodus

?

i believe so

or amenhotep

Illuminati Research

2010-03-29T09:46:00.001-07:00

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My discussion with a Christian

2010-03-29T06:06:00.000-07:00

I'm called "Me" and the Christian is named "t." We talk about many issues in March of 2010. My words are in bold. This is a great conversation.

t: tim

Me: hello

t: is julius caesar the origin of the caesar title?

or the iaser?

kaiser?

Me: He's the origin of the modern title.
t: so not augustus?

Me: Augustus lived after Julius Caesar was assassinated

Augustus was Julius's step nephew.
t: is caesar

a surname?

originally a surname

?

of julius?

Me: No

t: so caesar is not a part of julius' name?

Me: no

His surname is Gaius.

t: do you think it is offensive to say quran is not true?

Me: I think it's not as long as you're not being disrespectful.

t: israel must have been a special nation notice the great powers

beside her

yet untouched

Me: right

t: obama humiliated benjami nethayanu?

Me: I think they disagree on the Middle Eastern question.

It's not necessarily a humilitation.

Obama is more moderate in the Israeli/Palestinian question.

Nethayanu is more conservative.
t: what does depopulation mean

are there any conspiracies related to this?

Me: Depopulation means you use a method to basically kill or exterminate human beings.

Depopulation is shown in the conspiracies of the Holocaust.

Many globalists calling for millions of people to die.

The massacres during the French Revolution, in Sudan, and other nations.

t: have you wacthed the movie 300?

Me: No, I have not.

I've seen commercials about it.
t: xerxes the lord of asia

Me: Xerxes looked effemiate.

t: whats that?>

Me: Effemiate means unmasculine.

This is why us in America call the opposite of masculine.
t: does america agress with

pediatristic lovers?

the

Me: No

t: common bond used by knights?

Me: Most Americans from across the political spectrum hate pedophiles

That is why we have very strict laws against such evil.
t: but it is once a teacher student relationship[

....

Me: There is nothing wrong with a bond, but not pervesion.
t: im shocked alexander

is gay

Me: I think many people knew that.
t: maybe not in his time?

Me: Alexander died in his 30's.

t: i mean

gayness does not

apply in his own era

its just recent

Me: It depends .

Homosexuality was very common place in the Greco Roman times.

So, Alexander's gayness wouldn't be uncommon.

t: i mean

homosexuality is not appliable to the ancients

they dont call it gay

my prof scolded

me

bec i told him

alexander is gay

he replied

alexander's homo is not applied at 326 bc

iuts natural

Me: I guess your professor doesn't know all of history.

It's easy to see that many sex acts done by homosexuals are unnatural.

t: he said it is normal nothing prejudicial

Me: People back in those days opposed it.

t: even the greeks?

he said that

alexander's gayness is ok with his culture

that time

Me: Not every aspect of every culture is righteous.

Child killing was common in Greco Roman culture.

That doesn't mean that this is moral or right.

It's wrong.

t: ahhhh ok

people today are saying that time its legal

and todays standard are not appliable that time

perversed notions

Me: Universally held moral principles exist irrespective of time.

So, there are always moral truths that exist in the past, the present, and the truth that will remain.
t: one time people even compared zeus to god the father?

Me: Why so?

t: bec

both are

long haired old men

?

Me: oh

t: people

mistakened

zeus is like God the father ala sistine chapel

Me: right

t: obama seemed

unique compared to other president

his policies are totally out of place

Me: How so?

t: abortion?

Me: Barack Obama is an extremist on abortion.

t: pro arab

?

socialist?

Me: There is nothing wrong with being Pro-Arabic.

As God gave Arabic people many gifts in the world from math to calligraphy.

It's a problem to be pro-Muslim extremist.

I'm pro-Arabic people and pro-Jewish people as all humans are created equal with great value.
t: i mean

he is a bit anti israel

Me: He's a moderate, not anti-Israel per se.

He wants Israel to exist, but Palestine to be a nation gradually.

Nethayanu is more conservative.

t: you like palestine to be a nation

Me: Yes
t: is it too dangerous?

Me: I believe all people have a right to self determination.

This doesn't mean I want Palestine to be a nation in Israeli territories.

t: pls elaborate

Me: It wouldn't be dangerous if nationhood is done in the right way.

Palestinians like any group have a right to have nationhood if they desire it.

Israeli and Palestine side by side can improve each others economic state and cultural development.

That's common sense.

Obama and Bush believe in this goal.

t: but they are radical they bomb

Me: Who are they?

t: hamas?

plop?

Me: A small minority doesn't signify the majority.

t: plo?

Me: The PLO is futile in power.

Hamas is a radical sect.

I don't agree with Hamas since they accept radical ideologies.

Most Americans are moderate on the issue except people like John Hagee and racists that hate either Jews or Arabs.

t: are u in favor of a welfare state?

Me: What do you mean a welfare state.

t: like in europe

Me: The Constitution promotes the general welfare of the people.
t: pay taxes

and the govt

will do everything

Me: I don't believe in the government controlling everything.

I do believe in a safety net to help the poor as we do have in America.

I believe in compassion which is one of the things that MIke Huckabee got right.

t: is it by reading the bible you can get the govt right?

is that true?>

Me: The Bible says that individuals can help the poor.

Jesus Christ said that.

The government is made by and for the people.

The government in the Constitution have laws that promote taxes, building roads, and promoting the general welfare of the people.

I'm not a reactionary.

I'm not a reactionary.

Article I, Section 8 has it.

Why not help?

I think in 2010, my views on economics has become more populist and I thank God for waking me up about these things.

t: how to be humble?

should we remove the notion of selfhood

to be humble?

Me: It's more complex than that.

It's more important to help other people than be selfish, but at the same time, you should embrace your personal individuality.

We shouldn't act like a robot in our lives.

t: buddhist said remove the notion of selfhood so you can be egoless whats your take?

does removal of selfhood harbors humility?

Me: Egos exist even if you're an ascetic.

We should remove selfishness, but selflessness.
t: egos like?

selfless for them is losing the sense of self

Me: Egos include things like selfishness, evil, etc.

I think we shouldn't lose the sense of our self totally because we should embrace our individuality.

We should never be ashamed of what we are or what we come from at all.

t: is it impossible to remove

By Timothy

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My debate with Kashta Bureh on economics.

Kashta_Bureh wrote:

Timothy...did you just issue me an intellectual challenge? I accept, let the duel begin....
First off, Capitalism IS predatory and I never said it wasn't. Competition among humans is a reality, humans compete against each other to separate the winners from the losers, the strong from the weak. Competition is a necessary part of evolution because it allows the species to improve over time.
Humans are competitive from birth. If you read the book Sperm Wars, you would know that if two men ejaculate in a woman around the same time, the sperm of the two males will literally wage war and try to destroy each other, and the "victorious" sperm will impregnate the woman. This is a FACT of evolutionary biology.
So, just as sperm wages war, humans wage war against each other in business, sports, and politics. Capitalism is nothing more than an economic system which is a reflection of man's competitive drive.
For you to blame Capitalism for the problems of the Black community is just as stupid and ridiculous as blaming guns for gun violence. Guns don't kill people, people kill people, and the studies show that in communities where people own guns, crime actually goes down. The studies also show that Capitalism is the only system that works. Communism and Socialism never work.
Blacks got exploited by the Europeans because Europeans were just more cunning and sophisticated. Africans loved to fight each other and sell one another into bondage and the White man took advantage of this system. On top of that, the Africans stupidly invited Europeans into Africa and sold millions of slaves to him....are you denying this historical fact?

Kashta_Bureh is seriously wrong on many issues. He is only right that African Americans should create more businesses and have more efforts to build up the black community. First, he talks about Capitalism. He obviously wants to use the economic system of an oppressor as a justification to promote his own self interest. Vulture capitalism (as opposed to a regulated capitalism, which I have no serious qualms with) is materialistic, ruthless, and selfish by its own nature. That's reality.

How can a person be selfish when the collective improvement of your own people is beyond the interests of self. The working for self only limited your own human capacity and community agendas. Capitalism that's unregulated is obviously predatory and has been instrumental in the derivatives crisis, the opium wars against the Chinese people, and the international slave trade. Competition among humans is a reality, but humans for thousands of years have used safeguards to protect humans too (like environmental and labor standards. Even the most reactionary person accepts some regulation among capitalism as beneficial). In life, there are those living the good life and those who are less fortunate. Just because some people are poor or exist with disadvantages, doesn't mean that there is little chance for them to improve themselves. All people have value. Someone poor or middle class may have a better character and a more social enriching life than a super rich person indulging in immorality (with a guilt complex).

As for women and sperm wars, I have no issue with this since males and females biologically want the best fit as a partner. This isn't immoral nor evil at all. Competition exists, but you omit that rational reforms can evolve over time. For example, once we had infanticide in the Roman Empire in a common way. Today, we don't have it in the West in a large fashion. So, just because competition is a reality, doesn't mean that rational human reforms are non-existent.

So, we should do our best to help those people in extreme poverty or suffering to benefit everyone. Since, long term if radical improvement of our standard of living is a reality then more people will benefit from reforms. Everyone realizes that humans are competitive. Yet, this doesn't mean that humans lack the intellectual stamina to develop a better, more fair society. That is why social reforms came after the New Deal to radical improve the USA economy in a mixed economic fashion. So, yes I do blame cartel capitalism for many problems in communities (not all problems). If the glorious cartel-capitalism system was so great, why has the global finanical crisis occured since 2007. This crisis occured for many reasons and one was that there was the unregulated, speculative derivatives market (which was a fruit of cartel-capitalism, not regular capitalism per se). There is no evidence that unregulated capitalism works. Studies, literature from Krugman, and others prove that a mixed economy works better than pure Communism or unregulated Capitalism. You know this. Dr. King and brother Malcolm X exposed that trash economic system with ease. Forget that using the means of an oppressor in order to be malleable. There are alternatives to unregulated capitalism (like cooperatives, dirgism, etc.) that can build businesses, have technology, have fair trade, and other means of economic development.

Even the expert Ian Fletcher like many economist populists don't want total free trade neither a totally closed economy, but rational protectionism (that understand that we need trade without economic exploitation). This subject has nothing to do with gun violence as I agree with a man owning a gun in his own home.

Ayn Rand has been discredited and Rothard has been discredited. Newsflash, Austrian economics don't work as been exposed by mainstream economics. As for the slave trade, you demonize your own blood like a borderline traitor. Yes, some Africans did indeed sold their own people to slavery. Yet, Africans didn't organize the trade routes. They didn't create the ships. They didn't create the auction blocks in the West. They didn't even invent the international slave trade. This was done by Europeans for the most part, so they share much responsbility for it (beyond just Africans). These are historical facts. Do you deny it. Some Africans should of been more sophisticated and cunning to defend themselves against these imperialists. No one denies that, but this doesn't mean that hope should be gone. You have a very pessemistic personality, which causes you to even reject your own AA female kin when you haven't even met every since black women in the world or in America. I've met AA women looking better than Beyonce or Lisa Raye treating an intellectual black man with dignity and respect.

Like I've said before, don't tempt.

I'm a sleeping giant.

This is strike 2 brother.

By Timothy

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Yes, I do agree with some of the views of the Tea Party. I'm sick and tired of these social programs, I'm sick and tired of poor people who can't hold up their slack and then hard working people like me have to pay taxes for their lazy asses. Tim, it isn't the job of the government to provide "social services," that is what the private sector and charities are for.

At least you are honest. The Tea Party are the revival of the reactionaries from the past. I love real social programs. I do believe in banning social services among those that don't need it. If you're an able bodied person and you don't need these services, you shouldn't get them. Everyone is sick and tired of fraud and corruption in these programs. Cutting fraud and waste in these services can save a lot of money (including ending military aggression worldwide). Yet, I don't believe in eliminating all social programs, because some people need them and I don't believe that those living in extreme poverty should starve to death in society. Many of the poor aren't lazy, but suffer in bad socioeconomic problems. It's the government's job to promote the general welfare of the people. Article I, Section 8 says that the government can use cash and dollars to build roads, infrastructure, have a postal system, and other services to benefit the people. So, promoting the general welfare is fine with me. Private sector and charities can only go so far in handling poverty. That is why I advocate a comprehensive solution of private and public avenues. The upper class rich are paying record low taxation. Combined this with record income inequality, the super rich should have little to complain.
We don't need Social Security, Welfare or Medicare, and Social Security is nothing but a Ponzi Scheme. The government forces you to pay into it but now the fund is empty and no money will be there when I become a senior. So basically, the social security fund is a fraud.

We do need Social Security, some welfare, and Medicare. The reason is that these items aren't some Ponzi scheme. Social Security is known to exist as a surplus. Politicians have stolen funds from them to advance their own agenda. Medicare helped tons of seniors to have insurance. Welfare have radically decreased the poverty rate. The poverty rate is higher because of the recession (which is caused by numerous reason). The Social Security fund is still intact. The liar Peterson wants you to believe that Social Security. The New Deal increased American standard of living in unheard of heights in USA history.

Like I said, Blacks have an entitlement mentality and this is why they love Welfare, WIC, the Democratic party, and other social programs. I despise these programs. Every dollar I own or make came through hard work, sacrifice, and discipline, nobody has ever given me sh*t. And I have no respect for losers who grovel to the government for hand outs because they're too stupid and lazy to fend for themselves.

You are right that black people shouldn't embrace a radical dependency on the government. This encourages laziness. Yet, there should be balance (you make some social services exist for those that need it alone not anyone else). We can still love legitimate enterprise and collective efforts to solve our problems. Without balance, communities dissipate. Also, every human have had assistance one time or another in life. Even when you're young, you've either have gotten an allowance or your parents temporarily funded your livelihood until adulthood. No everyone is experience the exact same life pattern or lifestyle. There is why certain safeguard are instituted to benefit those disadvantaged. It's like this: if a whole bunch of people are poor, that's bad for business long term. If you have policies that decrease the poverty rate, then that's great for business and economic renewal. I don't take welfare, but I don't knock another man taking it if they legitimately need it. Also, many programs aren't handouts since there are strong prerequisites before you're given the GI Bill, and other benefits. Nothing is given for these folks for free.

By Timothy

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Tim...is that the best you can do? There are so many holes in your argument above that I can fly a 747 through it. First of all, the current economic system in the USA isn't "Capitalism," how can the USA be Capitalist when we have a central bank called THE FED that regulates the economy? In a truly Capitalist system there would be no Fed, there wouldn't be a central bank, and before 1913 the USA didn't even have a Federal Reserve.

I love how you use the word "collective improvement" when referring to Blacks. See, this is why the Black community is not rising, these moron Black nationalists and activists believe in "collective improvement." These men don't understand, as you apparently don't, that all humans are inherently selfish and only care about themselves, and this goes for Blacks as well as Whites and other ethnic groups.

The difference between Whites and Blacks is that Whites can come together out of pure self interest to build a company like Microsoft, while Blacks can't even get along. Are you naive and foolish enough to think that Blacks will come together out of the selfless need to do so? It will never happen.

I respect Malcolm X on many things but when it came to Capitalism he had no idea what he was talking about, and I reject the view of him, Stokeley Carmichael, and the Black Panthers, whom embraced Marxisim. All their views on Capitalism was flawed.

Every other group has benefited from Capitalism yet for some reason Blacks are the only group that have failed to do so, instead of blaming Blacks, you blame Capitalism. Then you talk about Capitalism being predatory........yes, it is, and I never said regulations shouldn't be passed to protect the environment, etc these are all side issues which are you attempting to use to divert me from the main topic, which is the effectiveness of Capitalism.....and the inability of Blacks to adapt to it.

Tim, you are digging your own grave, you should cut your loses and end this engagement with me while you're still ahead. First off, mainstream economics is BS, it is mainstream economics that got the USA into this financial mess, not AUSTRIAN ECONOMICS.

By mainstream economics, you're referring to KEYNESIAN ECONOMICS, and this school of economics embraces a central bank. Well, we're following the theories of Keynes, and if his theories are so great, why is the USA and world in a massive financial crisis?

Austrian economics is the only system that works, and when America followed it, America was strong. This school advocates THE GOLD and SILVER STANDARD, which means you don't have a central bank constantly printing funny money. Tim, do you like the cost of your food, housing, energy, and education costs going up? This is what happens with "mainstream economics," because the central banks keep printing funny money, but they couldn't do that if we were on a Gold or Silver standard.

Now, on to the slave trade. Africans were MORE responsible for the slave trade than Europeans because THEY LET IT HAPPEN. I know it is hard for you to accept this fact. Listen, the Europeans were outsiders, it was Africans that invited them into Africa and sold them slaves, and it was Africans that allowed themselves to be duped by Europeans, so stop trying to excuse their stupidity.

The Africans were dumb as f*ck 500 years ago and they still are today, if not, why do they let foreign corporations mine their minerals and get rich while they wallow in poverty? After all the White man has done, why do African nations STILL go in debt to the IMF and World Bank, which are White run institutions?

The answer is because Africans are dumb, selfish, simple, and easily manipulated. In fact, the history shows that Africans helped the Europeans build forts on their coasts, now how stupid is that? What fool lets a foreign country build a military base on their land without a fight? Only Africans.

Tim, the REAL reason why Blacks have failed to adapt to Capitalism is not because Capitalism itself is bad, it is because Blacks don't know how to work together, we have an entitlement mentality, and we believe in a "brotherhood" with other races.

Capitalism is a system that rewards groups of people who are tight knit and who can work together. This is why the Japanese, Chinese, East Indians, and Koreans do so well. These groups are tight knit, have strong group loyalty, and block outsiders from exploiting their community. They also don't have an entitlement mentality.

Blacks can't work together to save their lives. Take Africa for instance. To the typical White man, there is no difference between an Igbo, Somalian, or a Hutu, they are all Black in his eyes. But Africans have this retarded tribal mentality where they divide themselves based on their tribe and ethnic group, and they even fight each other over it, as the Hutu and Tutsi did.

This is why Africans are easy to conquer; they are easy to divide. Diaspora Blacks have the same weakness. Capitalism works against Blacks because Blacks can't work together and Capitalism is a system that requires groups to operate with harmony and efficiency.

-Kashta_Bureh

My Response to Him:

Now, this isn't the best that I can do of course, since a single forum doesn't display all of the intellect of a person. There are no holes in my argument. You use deception and use ad hominem attacks including distortions to promote that archaic Austrian economic system. The current USA system isn't capitalist and people realize this. So, why do you want us to embrace unregulated capitalism when it has been disproved in history (from the Middle Ages onward). I don't agree with the existence of central banks controlling every aspect of the economy. I believe that government should coin and print our money since the FED is an independent agency anyway. Even before 1913, there was the error of the Gilded Age. This era had the epitome of lassiez faire capitalism. The characteristics of this era included child labor, record economic inequality, labor rights violations, and other harm done to workers. After the New Deal and after the Great Depression, massive reforms came (that wasn't apart of mainstream capitalism or Austrian propaganda) that caused Americans to experience record economic growth. It was only with Reagan and Bush Jr. that the wild west economic philosophy came up again and this influenced the current recession we have in this country. You believe in regulations, but that's a cardinal sin in Austrian economics. See, Austrian economics accept nearly no regulations (even labor or environmental standards as oppressive to the free market). So, by definition, you are violating the adherence to your economic gospel. YOu have a limited persepctive since you think a lot of things in black and white. You can still have individual and collective efforts to solve problems.

As for Central banks, etc. that's irrelevant since even before all of that unregulated, laissez faire capitalism with no regulations haven't brought any massive economic growth at all in the poor class. You can't cite a source to prove that. I didn't know that collective improvement was a curse word. Individual and collective are necessary for the advancement of the black community. For example, I can be limited in what I can do by myself. Yet, if I and others work together in a collective effort, I can do more to build education, health services, businesses, etc. All humans aren't perfect and humans can be selfish at all. This doesn't mean that humans have no chance to improve themselves in better conditions in a society. That is something that you ignore in order to fulfill some reactionary thinking process (you want cunning and sly behavior, which I have no issue with. Yet, you can have a self-interest without selfishness. You can still believe in ruthless actions with ethics to benefit blacks too). You have naivety and I hope. That's the difference between me and you. Right now, there are black businesses and black companies. We have to take this to the next level. Although, I do have hope. Strong intervention and strong standing up among black men and black women can inspire a generation to be more apt for change instead of nihilistic, evil behavior. Possibilities are endless for the future. This has occurred in throughout human history, so Blacks can do it (with strong intervention done by Black themselves. More leaders should spark the brain of people to change. If Malcolm X was once a thug, pimp and he changed, then anyone can change).

I don't believe in Marxism for its ethical relativism and its promotion of too much state control of our economic systems (limiting any form of private initative). Capitalism that's without order and safeguards is a trash system that doesn't benefit black people at all. The reason is that it causes a gulf of economic inequality and it promotes a non-concern for the betterment of blacks among all classes. It's a divide and conquer mechanism to divide AA people instead of promoting more unity. Many black people have benefited from our current economic system. I don't blame vulture capitalism for all of the problems in our community neither do I blame blacks collectively. I blame many things like corruption, problems in the black community, an inferior economic system, and other reasons. Have you looked at Colin Powell, black scientists, black doctors, and black people among many fields before (who are making some differences in the black community in this system). Your problem is that you legitimately expose problems in the black community, but you don't offer much inspiration for blacks (especially if the black person is suffering) to succeed. You have no hope for your own race in America. I don't try to divert, I'm transparent with my words. Many blacks can adapt to a fair economic system that is mixed. You intentionally ignore alternatives to laissez faire capitalism like systems in Europe (that have higher HDI rates, higher educational rates, etc. than America. These European nations aren't on that Austrian economic tip). You do this, so blacks can follow some Austrian economic tripe. There is nothing wrong to adapt in a real fashion for self improvement. No one is arguing against people. People just disagree with supporting some fraudulent economic system.

On economics, you and the Tea Party are akin in thinking. Even the Glass Steagall act (another regulation) being repealed from 1999 contributed to the recession too. Austrian economics is about ending Social Security, cutting nearly all of the social safety, cutting nearly all regulations, etc. in order to grow the economy. How do you cut services, cut even necessary spending in our infrastructure plus educational system, and promote some gold standard to grow the economy? It doens't. The FED is a privitaized system that issues currency. This privatized system have caused economic havoc.

Brother, this is 2 strikes and a half. This is Varsarity stuff here. Not, JV. Don't get brought to field and get a safety.

Also, it's a shame that the IMF and the World Bank support corruption in Africa. I support real Africans wanting reforms not sellout Africans sucking up to the IMF or the World bank at all.

By Timothy

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Here's responses that I've made to a person bashing Black women (He isn't Kashta. I believe now that this person is a troll, because of his language. Trolls are used more in the net to try to divide BM and BW, yet this isn't going to work):

You don't know what game recognize game means?

I meant in that instance that some brothers use psychological tactics of pity (in a form of game) in order to go out with females. I recognize that game for what it is, hence game recognize game.

I don't believe in using force to prevent dating options. I'm not a hater. Yet, all of us as BM should at least have a positive repport with females of our own race. A man is a disagrace if he paints a broad, stereotypical brush against his own people. All BW aren't monolithic. The stereotype that BW are all monolithic (in hating smart brothers, being overly aggressive, etc.) is the old lie and slander that is utilized to disrupt BM and BW Unity. I've seen this lie over and over again. People are tired of it. If a man shows confidence, assertiveness, and a sense of direction in lie, believe me, the women will come. As a man, we should always respect a woman saying No. A woman saying No isn't the end of the world. It's a stereotype that you promote again that black women don't like intelligent, eccletic interests having brothers when many black women like a vareity of BM (in various forms of personalities, appearances, and outlooks in life).

Attractive? So-called beauty in a woman is in many things. Just because a woman isn't looking a Eurocentric looking Barbie doll, doesn't mean that a woman isn't attractive. I rather go out with a sister with strong African features (with a dark skin complextion) with a heart of gold than a person looking like a fake Barbie doll with a bad personality. If a person hates you, you should strive to not let others dictate your life choices. If a person tries to mess with you, you have every right to stand up for yourself. You should be unshamed of your tastes, interests, etc. Gravitate that personality to the world in a socially mature way and sisters will respect you. Sisters respect honesty and they are intuitive. If you fake the funk and promote some phony tough guy image, then the sisters detect that in an instance. Yet, if you are honest about yourself (and not care about what others percieve you as in a negative way), you develop your soical skills in an advanced way, and you are active to hang out with sisters with similar interests that you have, then a relationship has a higher chance of working.

There are millions of sisters worldwide, so there are plenty of sisters with dynamic personalities, intellectual maturity, strength, and wisdom that brothers can accept. It's not about changing to fit to the world's standards. It's about appreciating what skin you're in and to stand up for yourself. Our race stood up for us. We have every right to stand up, be strong, and never let the world get us down. As I've mentioned, you shouldn't be disrespected in an unfair fashion. Yet, you can't expect every AA women to be attracted to you. Some AA women will be attracted to you and some will not. That's life.

By Timothy

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Why is this hard to understand. We BM need to go out more with around the way women or the so-called average woman. We should never be too shallow to kick it with a regular sister. I rather go out with a regular sister than dream of some fantasy woman.

YOu've got grown men whining on the NEt. People are tired of it. If you're a grown man, then be a man and handle your business. I don't care what people think about me. I just handle my business and I never demonize black women or blame black women for my own issues.

I'm accountable for my own errors and the things that I've did correct in my life. Also, millions of black women exist worldwide with a multiple array of personalities, interests, etc. Simply, if a man (regardless of appearance) that has confidence, stands up for himself, has social skills, is trustworthy, is outgoing, etc. then that person wouldn't have serious issues going out with a woman.

We should treat each other with respect, but we can't set up unrealistic expectations for romance. It's best to go out with people with similar interests, similar career choices, or similar personalities. As for those males going out with non-BW for selfish reasons, that's not right. I'm not doing that stuff. I'll stick with my own people for romance. Also, not all non-BW act like some Cinderella queens. Look at Tiger Woods, Toomer, Montell Williams, Michael Strahan (he's with a decent sister now), etc. to see the files. They have gotten took to the cleaners and these non-BW wanted Greenbacks from these brothers. If a black man prop up non-BW above BW (from a social or cultural standpoint), then there is something wrong with that person.

By Timothy

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I do believe if you are a grown man especially, I wouldn't scapegoat women for nothing in my life.

There are non-black women that hate ecceltic interesting black men and I've known some of them. Just because some people may have mistreated you back in the day, doesn't mean that black women collectively are one way. In my life experience, I've met tons of black women that have treated me with dignity and respect. Also, I've seen white and Hispanic women act stuck up, arrogant, mean spirited, and down right disrespectful.

The answer to this problem is both respecting people's legitimate preference for attractions and promote more respect among the black community. A black woman has the right to go out with who she wants (and a man too), but all black people should learn to respect each other even if some people aren't attracted to you.

You can still unite with a woman for black causes and black unity even if a woman isn't romantically attracted to you.

See, the problem among some BM is that some of us feel that we are entitled to a woman by birthright (and nothing else). We aren't entitled to dominate a woman. We give our respect and give our best foot forward to honor a woman. I would not lay up with a non-BW to prove some point nor to seek vengeance (since some of those non-BW checking out low self esteem brothers see them as a charity case or a social pet not as an equal member of the human race).

For me, I'll still go out with Black Queens for a relationship. I don't agree with anyone whether male or female being disrespected or mistreated in life. Yet, as men, we will have to learn confidence building techniques to improve our own lives without throwing BW under the bus.

By Timothy

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Once again I've refuted you before and you still act in a stereotypical mode.

Now, Tiger is with some of his people when it's convenient. When the media put pressure on him (when the matter is just a personal matter), he was scared and sucked up to the establishment to try to preserve his trophy relationship. I really don't know if they loved each other. You don't either conclusively. What went on behind closed doors is still not totally known. Tiger married that woman for obvious reasons and you and I know the reason. Tiger did control the much of the relationship and he thought that she was just another ignorant woman (that would do nothing about his adulteries).
As for you words about your experiences, I will take you word for it. Also, you made the error that you assume that I believe all people in your position are self hating traitors. NO, I said some people like you not every single person like you. A person who is a little overweight can be attractive in many instances. One simple example is that both Tocarra and Jennifer Hudson (before their weight losses) were attractive. They are attractive now too. Queen Latifah isn't ugly. Kim Coles, Kimberly Locke, Chaka Khan, and Monique aren't ugly. You must be tripping. As for you saying you don't place all black women into a box, I can respect that. I don't hate non-blacks. I just place trust in my own people and I don't place non-blacks as culturally or socially superior to my own race. That is all. I have solidarity with my race. You have a right to disagree with my views and that's fine. I have a right to disagree with your views too (like most black women hate intellectual black men when you haven't met every single black woman worldwide). I never said that every black male dating IR is a self hater, but some are. That's the truth.

Stop worrying about the past? I knew that were your agenda all along now isn't it. You don't want us to worry about the past, using the past in a constructive framework can ascend our people into a better future. YOu learn about the past, so you have a geniune cultural linkage with your own black race. You have the right to look for romantic love everywhere and I have the right to respect everybody as an equal, but have a special romantic bond with black sisters. I don't need to lay up with a non-black person to prove my equality or be politically correct. I'm equal since conception period. As for the can't relate part, my meaning is transparent. I meant to write that a BW knows more about my struggles, my life, my culture, my history, my lifestyle, and my thinking much more than a non-BW can. That's the whole truth. Being from the Chi area, you ought to know better.

By Timothy

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This is my last response to you on this issue since we will agree on some issues and not on others.

Now, I've refuted much of what you have said. I've refuted your lie that most black women hate blacks who are intellectual, that blacks who are like you must date outside of their race to find happiness, etc. Now, you place silly lies and demonize sisters like Toccara, etc. as ugly. That's your view and I disagree with that assumption. You offer no evidence how or why Toccara, Kim Coles, etc. are ugly. I wonder why? You must think that beauty is very limited to a low size or a limited perspective. Beauty is diverse in many sizes and that is a fact.

You offer no real solutions for blacks for low self esteem (except for date IR or find a needle in a haystack). Real solutions among blacks is for black men with trouble dating women is for black men to gain confidence, learn social skills, communicate with sisters in a wide spectrum of locations, and learn about their own history with a positive insight. That isn't hard to ask. As for Tiger Woods, it's obvious why he married her. He married her because he's attracted mostly to white women and he is rich. That's true since the vast majority of women going out with him were white from childhood. Celebrities guard their images and that is feasible, but Tiger admitted (you realize this) that he felt entitled and arrogant as a motivation for the acts of adultery by his hands. I don't know if Tiger or his wife loved each other since I don't understand their romantic business like that. Tiger cracked under pressure since he's a punk and an adulterer. He should of handled his business behind closed doors.

I realize you are not a stereotypical person that hates all black women. Yet, you use your observation as a sole determining factor in assigning a generalization on the majority of black women. That is precisely a futile observation on your part since you haven't met or known every single BW in the USA or worldwide. Tons of BW in America have a diversity of interests, personalities, are intellectually mature, fun to be around, etc. Also, real AA women aren't neddles in a haystack. They exist in the malls, educational places, parks, restaurants, business locations, rural places, in the streets, and other locations plainly speaking. I don't lump you with other guys blaming all black women for this or that. I didn't say that all BM struggle harshly. I have mentioned that BW know more about BM, black culture & the black historical experience than non-BW, which is true.

You have the right to date who you want to and I have my right to love who I want to (which are sisters alone).

By Timothy

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My new words in April of 2011 about this issue:

Not every AA woman have sex with thugs. It's kind of ironic that the same people claiming to be so nice and good use some of the most wicked invective against AA women. Black people among both genders have issues and problems. That can't be denied or obfuscated. The solution for our problems as a people isn't bomb throwing or throwing AA women under the bus. The solution is for all black people to communicate with each other, we must love each other, we must fight against the evils in our community, and we must unite to make our Black people rise up into the next level of cultural & moral growth. We have to have a sense of the arts and intellectual growth too (like math, science, technology, etc.).

See, I view a woman basher and a thug as equal threats or enemies in our community. The thug is wrong for promoting nihilism and other forms of wickedness. The women basher (who lies and claims to be the "nice guy") is wrong since this person over exaggerates incidents and project false stereotypes against all AA women. Some of them use these stereotypes as an excuse to go IR. Many of them are consumed with low self-esteem.

As men, we can't excessively whine about women. That action isn't a definition of real manhood. Real manhood is taking responsibility, standing up for ourselves, and being able to help those that need help in an altrustic way. For if we whine in an immoral fashion about women, we disrespect ourselves since we came from women via birth. So, the reasonable solutions are to be active in our communities to help our people, to fight against evils, and to confront thugs, women haters, and bullies (in inspiring these people to change their own ways). You can't say I'm the nice guy and do nothing to help out your own community when the going gets tough. We as men have to live by our words and show no fear of any human by being strong (to stand up for legitimate black liberation). We have to love AA women like we love ourselves. Just because some AA people have problems, doesn't mean we gloat over our own people. We be active to confront evil and form plans to build up Black people.

By Timothy

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The notion of decent black men doesn't need to be redefined. If a BM or a BW stays in the sidelines and doesn't do a thing to solve problems among their own people, they aren't decent to begin with. Most people have always agreed with that for a long time.

It's that certain people use that reality (of some black people being co-conspirators to the ills in our community) as an excuse to demonize all BM (and BW too) in a slick fashion. If one thing needs to be redefined or eliminated is the stereotypes made against any black persons (both males and females) doing the right thing as being soft or weak. That stereotype should be scrapped. Evil black men are a problem, but it's more than them. Historically, many BM caught up in a bad lifestyle have changed their lives and developed into righteous people just like tons of BW doing the right thing.

It's a system that promotes corporate corruption, economic disparities, and other damaging influences in our community. I believe in personal responsibility like the next man, but not personal denial of corporate evils in the world that contribute to the evils in Western society. If you want things solved, you have to be comprehensive in dealing with building up self confidence among outcasts & the poor, creating radical programs, protesting, and working toward more dialogue so solutions can be made.

Without black men and black women uniting in trying to find solutions, nothing changes.

Certain people (especially among sellout blacks that don't want to deal with their own people or have hatred agaisnt BM or BW) want permanent tensions among BM and BW in order for the status quo to remain.

We should end tensions and develop real resolutions (like gang intervention, promotion of health & fitness, programs to fight against violence, creating avenues to develop intellectual pursuits, promote real forms of the arts & music among our own people, develop financial security and assistance toward our own people, create radical acts now to fight back against evil, and have outlets for blacks especially with ecclectic tastes to feel at home with tolerance) in our lives for the the sake of our ancestors.

-By Timothy

The Trinity

2010-03-25T14:48:00.001-07:00

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Introduction:

What do I think of the Trinity? I believe in it since for years. It’s biblical, divine, and totally true. Many heretics like Modalists, Oneness, Unitarians, and others deny it, but I will never. This is a simple, yet concise exposition to back up the honorable truth of the Trinity. I will divide this response into 3 reasons why I believe in the Trinity, which is a Philosophical Reason, a Biblical Reason, and a Historical Reason. Now it begins.

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I. Philosophical Reason

First, many anti-Trinitarians have confusion over the real definiton of the Trinity, therefore that is one of the many reasons that they deny it as a biblical fact. The Trinity is a belief of one God not 3, but God makes manifest into 3 members or “persons” making God a complex, compound, yet unified being.

The Son, Father, and the Holy Spirit is God, the Son is not the Holy Spirit or the Father and likewise for the rest of the members. There are therefore 3 yet one in the Godhead, not 3 gods, but the Trinity exists as having one substance, power, nature, eternity, and essence.

This isn’t too far fletched to believe since it expresses the distinction, yet the unity of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. In the sense of unity, there are cases where unity doesn’t mean solitary oneness.

One example is man. Man has a mind, body, and spirit, yet man isn’t a solitary being acquiring of one concept, but has compound unity within his or her’s existence. Another is time made up o the past, present, and future, or physics consisting of matter, space, and motion.

The same goes for God though the later concepts deals with nature (God’s creation) and God is outlined in this way solely by the scriptures.

God is infinite and omnipotent and can do this because he is all powerful and the concepts of God being a compound being is bounded by the scriptures.

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II. A Biblical Reason

The Trinity is all over the Bible. Just because the word “Trinity” is not mentioned in the Bible doesn’t mean that the Trinity as a concept isn’t maintained in the scripture. Oneness, communion, theology, essence, Incarnation, Sola Scriptura, Rule of Faith, Bible Law, Aramaic, etc. are literally mentioned in the Bible as words, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist in the realm of Christendom or as concepts. The same goes for the Trinity.

The Godhead is found in the Bible and that means Trinity. To validate the Trinity as biblical, bible verses must be used to outline the main concepts of the Trinity which are:

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a). Distinctions or Differences Between the Father and the Son

The Father is not the Son, therefore the Trinity is validated. But to validate it, you need Sola Scriptura and its provided easily by these verses.

i). One of the best verses is from Mt. 3:13-17:

13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

In those verse the Father in audible voice says “This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased. The Father in that situation identifies Christ as his Son.

The Father didn’t change his mode, use ventriloquism imitating Christ, but made manifest of a distinction by the communication going forth between 2 member therefore denoting compound unity.

Christ was in the flesh in that moment of time and in his human body can’t create a voice from heaven saying he is the Son, because someone else is describing him which is the Father.

ii). 1 John 1:1-3:

"001:001 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
001:002 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
001:003 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ."

In those verses, it described that the Father exists with the Son. If the Father was purely identical to the Son, the Bible would say that the Father is the Son.

No such verse exists no where in God’s word that the Father is the Son at all. One of the concepts of the Trinity is the denial of the Son being the Father and this verse simply outlines this.

iii). John 3:14-19:

14. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15. That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."

In those great verses, the Bible explicitly calls Christ alone who is begotten. Only the Son of God, not the Father or the Holy Spirit. This is true because the Bible says so therefore the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are Not Identical at all.

The Trinity is just a belief in one God with coequal, coeternal, distinct persons that share the nature of one God not 3 gods as the famous misconception maintains. Not to mention that Christ made a blatant difference between himself (Christ) and the Father by saying that the Father was greater than I signifying position only not power or essence.

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b). Plurality or Compound Unity of one God

This is a concept that exists in the OT especially. Genesis 1:1-4 is one of the easiest verses to show that. It reads “1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was
upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the
face of the waters.
1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided
the light from the darkness.” And v. 26 says that “1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our
likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,
and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all
the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the
earth.”

God in those verses means Elohim and Elohim is a Hebrew plural noun making a possiblility of one unifed compound being. That’s evident by the prefix –im presenting a mult-Personal God.

One the verse that says “Let us create man in our own image” has the similar point. If God was a solitary being he will say “I” instead of “us” but he said “us” [which is a plural pronoun in reference to himself not to angels] since Almighty God which is in heaven created the universe by himself and exists as a Trinity to do it. You can more at Genesis 3:22, Isaiah 6:8, etc.

ii). Deut. 6:4 shows that “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:”

and when that is literally translated it reads “Shema Israel, Yehovah Elohim (Adonai) echad!” One is translated as echad meaning a group united as one not a solitary one which would mean yachid in Hebrew. This source outlines this.

“…the only word that applies to God (Elohim) in the O.T., then this would be a death sentence of the Trinitarian believers. The word “yachid” means an absolute or solitary one.” (Francis Brown, S. R. Drivr, and Charles Briggs, “A Hebrew English Lexicon of the Old Testament. Oxford, Charendon, 1966, pg. 402).

"Elohim conveys both the unity of the one God, and yet allows for the plurality of Divine Persons as expressed in the historical Christian doctrine of the Trinity. It is unique to monotheistic Israel and is not found in the language of any of her polytheistic, Semitic neighbors (Jack B. Scott, S.V. "elohim", in Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament, 2 vols:, Chicago, Moody Press, 1980, 1:44).

The unity in multiplicity is the essence of the Trinity or a plurality in one unity (God)

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c). Distinctions between the 2 Members of the Trinity and the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is very special here. It’s unique. According to the Bible, the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son:

John 15:26-27
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

There is no time in the Bible where the Son, Father, and the Holy Spirit were identical or were the same person in the whole scriptures at all. Also in John 16:7, Christ referred to the future arrival of the Comforter to the church. The Comforter is the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit existed for all time, it didn’t exist to the church in a great massive way to perform gifts, etc. yet. When Christ ascended into heaven, the Holy Spirit arrived in full power to the church at Pentecost. Logic and God’s word tells me that the Holy Spirit wasn’t Christ, was not on the cross, etc since the Holy Spirit is invisible and can’t be seen by our own physical eyes or mind.

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III. A Historical Reason:

I know now tons and I do mean tons of Early Church History, so it’s like that. One of the greatest lies to confuse the Trinity is that ROMAN CATHOLICISM CREATED THE TRINITY AT THE NICENE COUNCIL AT 325 A.D. WHAT A GROSS LIFE AND FURTHER CAN BE THE TRUTH.

Pagan concepts did crept into the early church from the 100’s –400’s, but the Trinity is an established facts maintained by non-pagan Bible believing early Christians. It’s fully outlined in the Holy Scriptures. The TRUTH IS THAT CHRISTIANS MENTIONED THE NAME “TRINITY” SINCE 180 A.D. AND CHRISTIANS BELIEVED IN THE CONCEPTS OF THE TRINITY SINCE THE TIME OF CHRIST.

The first man recorded written-wise who wrote the word Trinity was Theophilus of Antioch and he won’t a pagan or a Catholic since Catholicism wasn’t invented until 314 A.D. Theophilus said:

“…But the moon wanes monthly, and in a manner dies, being a type of man; then it is born again, and is crescent, for a pattern of the future resurrection. In like manner also the three days which were before the luminaries, are types of the Trinity,. of God, and His Word, and His wisdom…” (180 AD, Theophilus of Antioch Chapter XV. - Of the Fourth Day, To Autolycus 2:15)

The word was from the Greek Triados meaning Trinity and he usd it to describe God. Trinity can be used even before 180 A.D., but this is the earliest record so far before 180 A.D. Other early Christians like Justin Marytr, Ignatius [bishop of Antioch and brave Christian], Polycarp, Athenagarus, and others have shown quotes believing in distinction of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, denial of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as one person, and other points to show the Biblical Trinity in concept. Here’s examples of that:

"...Our teacher of these things is Jesus Christ, who also was born for this purpose, and was crucified under Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judaea, in the times of Tiberius Caesar; and that we reasonably worship Him, having learned that He is the Son of the true God Himself, and holding Him in the second place, and the prophetic Spirit in the third, we will prove. For they proclaim our madness to consist in this, that we give to a crucified man a place second to the unchangeable and eternal God, the Creator of all; for they do not discern the mystery that is herein, to which, as we make it plain to you, we pray you to give heed" (Justin Martyr First Apology 13:5-6, Christians Serve God Rationally [A.D. 151]).

"For they speak of Christ, not that they may preach Christ, but that they may reject Christ; and they speak of the law, not that they may establish the law, but that they may proclaim things contrary to it. For they alienate Christ from the Father, and the law from Christ. They also calumniate His being born of the Virgin; they are ashamed of His cross; they deny His passion; and they do not believe His resurrection. They introduce God as a Being unknown; they suppose Christ to be unbegotten; and as to the Spirit, they do not admit that He exists. Some of them say that the Son is a mere man, and that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are but the same person, and that the creation is the work of God, not by Christ, but by some other strange power." (Ignatius, Epistle to the Trallians, Ch. VI).

"The Son of God is the Word of the Father in thought and actuality. By him and through him all things were made, the Father and the Son being one. Since the Son is in the Father and the Father is in the Son by the unity and power of the Spirit, the Mind and Word of the Father is the Son of God. And if, in your exceedingly great wisdom, it occurs to you to inquire what is meant by `the Son,' I will tell you briefly: He is the first- begotten of the Father, not as having been produced, for from the beginning God had the Word in himself, God being eternal mind and eternally rational, but as coming forth to be the model and energizing force of all material things" (Athenagoras, Plea for the Christians 10:2-4).

In fact the Non-Catholic St. Patrick believed in the Blessed holy Trinity by saying it in his Breastplate and Confession:

·St. Patrick said "[T]here is no other God, nor has there been heretofore, nor will there be hereafter, except God the Father unbegotten, without beginning, from whom is all beginning, upholding all things, as we say, and his Son Jesus Christ, whom we likewise to confess to have always been with the Father--before the world's beginning . . . Jesus Christ is the Lord and God in whom we believe . . . and who has poured out on us abundantly the Holy Spirit . . . whom we confess and adore as one God in the Trinity of the Sacred Name" (Confession of St. Patrick 4).

·447 AD St. Patrick "I bind to myself to day the strong power of an invocation of the Trinity--the faith of the Trinity in Unity, the Creator of the universe" (The Breastplate of St. Patrick 1).

All of these people aren’t heretics. Those denied the Trinity in the early church like Noetus, Sabellius, and others were the real pagan heretics and they were also rebuked by real Christians like Hippolytus. Hippolytus was a Bible believer and not a Papist who worshipped the Trinity by saying:

Hippolytus "As far as regards the power, therefore, God is one. But as far as regards the economy there is a threefold manifestation, as shall be proved afterwards when we give account of the true doctrine" (Against The Heresy Of One Noetus)

Hippolytus said:

"A man, therefore, even though he will it not, is compelled to acknowledge God the Father Almighty, and Christ Jesus the Son of God, who, being God, became man, to whom also the Father made all things subject, Himself excepted, and the Holy Spirit; and that these, therefore, are three. But if he desires to learn how it is shown still that there is one God, let him know that His power is one. As far as regards the power, therefore, God is one. But as far as regards the economy there is a threefold manifestation, as shall be proved afterwards when we give account of the true doctrine. In these things, however, which are thus set forth by us, we are at one. For there is one God in whom we must believe, but unoriginated, impassible, immortal, doing all things as He wills, in the way He wills, and when He wills." (Against The Heresy Of One Noetus)

Hippolytus also said that "She hath mingled her wine" in the bowl, by which is meant, that the Saviour, uniting his Godhead, like pure wine, with the flesh in the Virgin, was born of her at once God and man without confusion of the one in the other. "And she hath furnished her table:" that denotes the promised knowledge of the Holy Trinity." (Hippolytus on Prov 9:1, fragment, "Wisdom hath builded her house."

Note that Hippolytus in his history rebuked the pro-Modalist Roman Bishop Zephryrinus who supported the anti-Trinitarians in the 200’s.

Independent groups like the Anabaptists, Donatists, Novatians [I have Trinitarian quotes from both Donatus and Novatian], Celtic Christians like St. Patrick, Columbanus, and Columba, Lollards, Waldensians, and others worshipped the Trinity or the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The Bible even commands you to baptize in all 3 members at Mt. 28:18-20:

“18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
That pronounced the 3 members as one for baptism and 1 John 5:7:

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”

I know that verse is controversial, but it was mentioned on all old English Bibles (i.e. Tyndale, Coverdale, Wycliffe, Great Bible, Geneva, Bishop, KJV, and all of the Protestant Reformers) for 600 years straight and came first writtenly discovered by Tertullian and Cyprian then Priscillan, Athanasius, Waldensian version ,etc.

Just because 1 John 5:7 exists on few manuscripts doesn’t mean that it’s an added verse or a lying concept or a fraud. To deny the Trinity is to call Hippolytus, Tertullian, Ignatius, Polycarp, the Bible, and God himself a transformer being or a liar and that in it of itself is making a big mistake. It will make not that change or mistake ever.

Like always Christopher Lancaster, we Trinitarians are not wanting to paganize you but show you the truth and wake up to accept and worship the Blessed Trinity who is God Almighty.

I hope to God that you will do this.

By TruthSeeker24

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SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS.

SEPTEMBER 29, 2003

2: 24 pm. EST

Some Wisdom

2010-03-20T16:59:00.000-07:00

Some Wisdom

It so obvious that these neo-cons criminals are on the run. This is from my original thought here and I just expressing the truth. I'm focused now. It's seemed like time passed so fast. From the debates at www.carm.org to debating Freemasons and now here. There is this phony 9/11 Commission which is nothing more than the 21st century version of the Warren Commission investigation JFK's assassination. Kean has business ties to Bin Laden's brother in law.

Their findings will probably be that the Clinton and Bush administration committed intelligence mistakes prior to 9/11 and never intensively focused on the al-Qaeda. No one will be charged with treason against America or being involved in the death of 3,000 people unless a miracle happens.

One of the most hilarious occurence was Condy Rice, a CFR agent. We love you Condy, but you are brainwashed sheeple who needs to wake up. Condy, if you claim to have a Christian experience what you need to d o is to rebuke and get out of the CFR, inspire Bush to repent for his alliegance to Skulls and Bones plus Bohemian Grove, and clean up the White House and society. That's what you need to do. Condy says that she didn't realize of hijacking warning yet the Bush White House was repeated warned about a 9/11-like event months before it transpired. Whose telling the truth, Condy or mainstream new sources. I pick those news sources.

I feel like the doubters are jealous of us. If they were secure in their beliefs about George W. Bush being a traitor, Satanist, murderer, pro-abortion, anti-gun, anti-freedom socialist enemy, then they wouldn't be worried. They are worried and you know why? Because tons of Americans and individuals around the world are beginning to awaken from their sleep.

People are critically anazyling these situations and figuring out the Bush killed 3,000 people in 9/11, Arnold is a Nazi extremist, that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq is a starting poi nt of exploitation of natural resources, the institutions of puppett headship, and a continued overstretching of our great military.

The U.S. military is in 70% of the world's countries and nearly 50,000 is in Germany. What is that for? What we need to do is to send those troops home. Especially in Iraq, it's so obvious that he lied to America and the world. Also, how is the USA going to fully accomodate the Shia, Kurds, and Sunnis within Iraq especially in the Sunni Triangle where the majority of the fighting is taking place. What is next? You want Chalibi who's an embezzler, no bid contracts restricting a free enterprise system, $1 billion cost per week in Iraq, or a Iraqi interim Constitution that prohibits the right to bear arms (A God given right).

This traitor General Tommy Franks even seeked to get rid of the U.S. Constitution if another terror attacks existed in America. I wonder why the controlled mainstream media hasn't report these facts? Why are they s o blind as to not realize that Bush is ruining our jobs, our land, our guns, and our rights.

YOu got phony liberals like Alan Desowitz, Choamsky. Then you fake neo-cons like O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, and Scraborough. Well, at least Joe Scraborough has the most hope but even he subscribes to imperialism, the illegal Patriot Act, and the pagan movie of the Passion. Now we have some "election" between 2 men that are members of the Skulls and Bones (Bush and Kerry). Both men have blood related to British Royalty, both are anti-gun, pro-choice, pro-globalization, consents with this fake government created war on terrorism, etc.

There is no difference between the 2 except Kerry's opinion on the ecomony and environment. This is like a Repubicrat system of lackies and corporate criminals in crony capitalism. It's so apparent of what these guys are doing and we have no choice but to ACT.

That's some wisdom you can carry on with you......

Good luck allies..... ...........

By TruthSeeker24

April 1, 2004

Why the Archangel Michael isn't the Messiah

2010-03-20T16:31:00.000-07:00

http://thetruth81901.yuku.com/topic/873/t/Why-the-Archangel-Michael-isn-t-the-Messiah.html

I devised of this information because of the Jehovah Witness, Hashev, and other groups of individuals who maintain the perception that Michael is the Messiah and thats just false. This expose is short obviously and cuts to the chase. Enjoy:

Why the Archangel Michael is not the Messiah:

1). Micah 5:2 is a prophecy describing the Messiah. Its the Messiah that will exist on Earth from Bethlehem Ephratah. Michael is an angel who is from heaven and has never came down to Earth as a man. It also says that he (Messiah) is the ruler in Israel and whose goings is from of old, from Israel and whom going is from of old, from everlasting. Michael isnt from everlasting since hes a created being. The Messiah (Jesus Christ) is from and to everlasting making Christ divine being God not a created being. John 1:1,4 confirms the deity and pre-existence of Christ. Psalm 90:2 say that only God is from everlasting to everlasting.

2). Micah 1:3-4 The Bible says the Lord cometh forth out of his place (heaven) and comes to Earth. How can Michael do this when he isnt God? This is a reference to the Messiah of his 2nd coming by the context because the temple is mentioned in Micah 1:1-2. Michael doesnt have the power or biblical authority to be the Messiah.

3). Revelation 22:8-9 says to worship God alone not an angel. Only God who is the Messiah fulfils the fundamental prophecies, which are over 300 describing him. (Jesus Christ). The angel Michael is therefore not to be worshipped or bowed to; therefore, Michael having extreme glory or being bowed to is breaking Gods commandments.

4). Isaiah 9:6-7 A child is born being called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, the everlasting Father, and the Prince of Peace. None of these qualities define the archangel Michael. To call Michael by these names, which are Gods names, is blasphemous since Michael isnt everlasting, or the Mighty God. Michael means in Hebrew means godlike or who is like unto God not Mighty God or Almighty God. Mighty God in the Hebrew language mean Gibbowr Elohim and that has never been denoted to any other being in the OT and NT except Almighty God not the archangel Michael. No verse in the OT and NT defines it as such. The terms Mighty God declares the Messiah only since it says he sits on the throne of David, etc. Michael is an angel and has no lineage to David. The Messiah is the Lord Jesus Christ not an angel.

5). Angel in Hebrew means malakh meaning messenger. Their primary duties are to send messages, deliver, do miracles, and other actions not being a Savior, Messiah, or deliverer. Only God is the Savior (Isaiah 43:11, Jude 1:12, Titus 2:10), the only redeemer (Isaiah 63:16), the only Holy One (Psalm 71:22, Psalm 78:41, Psalm 89:18), and the only Judge (Psalm 94:1-2, Genesis 18:25). If God acquires solely these characteristics, why cant he be the Messiah when the Messiah is the deliver, Savior, and judge for all men outlined in the OT and NT. An angel cant deliverer people from sin, redeem, or save souls. Only God can make him the Messiah not Michael.

6). Ex. 20:1-7 The Bible forbids anyone worshipping anything other than God and thats also exhorted in the NT. To assume Archangel Michael is the anointed one or the Messiah is close to worship. Only glory is given unto God who is the Messiah (Christ). I will give no glory to an angel called Michael.
-Mt. 4:10/Luke 4:8 Christ said worship God only. How can we assume an angel is the Messiah when the Bible in the OT has no identification of the Savior as an angel. Apologists say that the Talmud, Midrash, and even the Koran say that Michael is the Messiah, but those works are false, bias, anti-Jewish, and anti-Christians in some of its verses. Its biblical to assume that the Messiah is God since he has the power, influence, prophecy, and the only ability to bring about a lasting end-time peace worldwide. No one angel can do that alone or make an everlasting rule forever. \

7). Jesus Christ throughout Revelation was called:
1). Alpha and Omega, the beginning and ending (Revelation 1:8) and also the Almighty
2). The son of man (Rev. 1:13)
3). The first and the last (Rev. 1:17)
4). Son of God (Rev. 2:18)
5). The faith and true witness (Rev. 3:14)
6). Creator (Rev. 4:11)
7). Lion of the tribe of Judah (Rev. 5:5). Also, the root of David.
8). Lamb (Rev. 5:6)
9). Christ (Rev. 12:10)
10). Faithful and True (Rev. 19:11)
11). The Word of God (Rev. 19:13)
12). King of Kings and Lord of Lords (Rev. 19:16)
13). The Bright and Morning Star (Rev. 22:16)

**13 titles are describing Christ, the Messiah. Anyone cant find within the Bible such enormous or grandiose declarations about the Archangel Michael. To assume so or call Michael the Messiah or Savior is just blasphemy. God is the only Redeemer, Savior, and Messiah, who is Jesus Christ and none other. **

By Timothy

The Trinity and my response

2010-03-20T16:20:00.000-07:00

Chris: Your opinion here actually contradicts the Bible and Jesus' words. The so-called trinity baptism formula is actually a shut case for oneness as opposed to trinity. In the NAME of Father, Son Holy Spirit. One person, One name. In Acts, we see the obedient Apostles, baptising in the NAME of Yeshua (Jesus). So we see, they are one person. And of course, the Holy Spirit in the womb of Mary resulted in Yeshua.

Response: You view God as a transformer without logic but suiting your opinion that God is not compound. You pretty much subscribe to the oneness opinion of the Baptismal formula for only Oneness people would believe that the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are one person, therefore you are an Oneness individual derived from the Modalist heresy in the 100s and 200s A.D. revived fully 1913. Salvation comes by Christ without baptism and thats know to the that issue of Acts 2:38. The Trinity is still used. One reason is Christ explicitly said in Mt. 28:19 to : Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: In that verse the is used to separate each member. If the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost were solitary one person totally it would use the name of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but it used name of the which is an definite article separating specific names to say during baptism. The translation scholar have determined this plenty of times. Acts 2:32-38 reads as this:

002:032 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
002:033 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
002:034 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
002:035 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
002:036 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
002:037 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
002:038 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
002:039 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

These verses are true in terms of using Christ for salvation, but each member of the Trinity works in mans salvation by the Son, Father, and Holy Spirit. In baptism, Peter used the identity of baptism but not a required prerequisite formula for usage. Only Christ has that edict in Matthew. To be fair and balanced I will study Acts 2:38 more closely.

Chris: Yes, then why are you hesitant to acknowledge that God can have many manifestations, yet be ONE person? Father, Son, Holy Spirit, Burning bush, pillar of smoke, Melchizedek, is God a hexity now? Or is He ONE???

Reponse: God has manifestations but only 3. You seem to hestitate that. The only 3 members he came in the OT was the Son, Father, and the Holy Spirit. Just because God appears in many manifestations doesnt mean he is one specific person. Distinctions of attributes and actions and existence of the members at the same time denotes specific distinction refuting the one single person notion. Ive havent seen a refutation yet to prove why the Father and the Son talked to each other at the same time, the Son raised from the dead, the Father and the Holy Spirit being invisible to mans sights, etc. and still exist as one person. First, you are fast with the burning bush issue. First Melchizedek was seen by Abraham and he was Christ before he was begotten by Mary. Christ also exists as the Angel of God and people called him God as well. The Father God existed in many forms like the Creator and the Burning Bush. The Holy Spirit in the OT was called the Spirit of God or Gods Spirit. The pronouns of us , them ,and they denote multiplicity in unity. So far Ive havent seen no conclusive refutation from Oneness scholars or you to refute those pronouns to this day.

Chris: Not ONE verse teaches the trinity. Trinitarians grab a verse here and a verse there, and try to piece it together, instead of just admitting that pagan religions of Babylon, just liek Freemasonry, gave us teh trinity.

Reponse: Unlike the pagan religions of Old, The Trinity believes in one God not many gods or a transforming god like Oneness people believe to this day. You believe that God is transformer, which is grossly pagan. Using multiple verse to prove a concept is not only logical but Biblical using intelligence. To deny the Trinity by virtue of it not mentioning the Bible will extinguish a list of religious concepts from the world in doctrine.

Chris: All such things are not evidence. Many Christians already had false doctrines in Paul's day, let along 100 AD and 200 AD. Yet no Apostle spoke of the trinity, and neither does teh Bible. I wonder why...

Response: They are evidence since they have more knowledge than me and lived directly in a short period of time afterwards. There opinion is not superior to the Bible, but they count for some credit since the Modalist heresy [believing in one God, but one person is the Holy Spirit, Son, and the Father] came in the 100s not historically or biblically in the time of Christ or the OT and non-Catholic Biblical Christians like Tertullian, Hippolytus rebuked them in their literature and mentioned the Blessed Holy Trinity by name. They were Christians and show no signs of being pagan or paganized. Early heresies were definitely in Pauls day, but the Trinity which is nothing more than the unity of God, 3 members, Distinctions between 3 members, and plurality of one deity is found explicitly in the Nt and even the OT. Its not a crime to use many verses to validate a point. One verse necessary cant validate any Biblical point like True Oneness, Resurrection, End-Times, Earthquakes, creation, etc. Again, just because a word isnt used in the Bible, doesnt mean that concept is non-existent in Christianity back then. Now to the Apostles. The apostles didnt spoke of there travels to China, India, Europe, Africa in the NT. The Apostle John, Matthew, and others mentioned explicitly the concepts of the Trinity.

Chris: I worship the ONE God. The one who manifested Himself in many forms, and who limited Himself in flesh for us. As the Scriptures say, he "humbled" Himself for us.
Edited by: drmlanc at: 10/1/03 4:45 pm

Response: I also worship One God, but you view God as a transformer to suit a time or manifestion.. I view God as infinite, but coming unto man in 3 members to fully express himself to man. God is infinite, but logical. God will not lie, cheat, and steal, but hes still Almighty God refusing to do so because thats against his orderly nature. You may deny it, but you embrace the Modalist, Oneness religion. One can be just as much as an united one as a numerical solitary one and God is One unified, compound, complex being.

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Chris: If God cannot appear to us in many manifestations, who then was the pillar of smoke, burning bush etc?

Response: God does appear in many manifestation, but those manifestation only occurs in the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. First its time to look at the verses describing the situation. 3:1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the
priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the
desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.
3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of
fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold,
the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
3:3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great
sight, why the bush is not burnt.
3:4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God
called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses,
Moses. And he said, Here am I.
3:5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from
off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy
ground.
3:6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of
Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid
his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.
3:7 And the LORD said, I have surely seen the affliction of my
people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason
of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows;
3:8 And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the
Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good
land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto
the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the
Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the
Jebusites. (Exodus 3:2-8)

In those verse it perfectly says that the Angel of the Lord changed into the burning bush or flame and said I AM THAT I AM so the Angel of the Lord (visibly seen being is calling himself God). So if God is visible in that instance, its the pre-incarnate Son of God since the Father and the Holy Spirit are nowhere inside of the scriptures being seen literally by human beings at all. Only the Son is seen. There are many instances in the Bible that Moses and others have seen God face to face yet the Bible says the Father and the Holy Spirit cant be seen. The Son being not necessary confined to the physical formed also existed as a pillar of smoke and the Angel of the Lord both explicitly called God.

Chris: Many pagan religions have the idea of a 3 in 1 god. We are one of teh very few who does not. Biblical Christianity, which holds to the doctrine of One God.

Response: Biblical Christianity goes have the view of one God, but you have to make up your mind. You say God has many manifestations yet is one person which makes you believing in the Transformer god. I believe in one God in 3 members or persons that have always existed before the beginning of time.

Its not pagan since still its one God. Many pagan religions subscribes to the Robot transformer god like the Hindu god Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva which according to Classical Hindu Mythology, quoted pp. 82-84, David Adams Leeming, The World of Myth morphs from Vishnu, Brahma, and to Shiva or destroyer. Most pagan Trinities exist of Mother, Father, Son, or blended families or groups of 3 with no relationship to one total Diety [whether male or female] at all. The Trinity deals with one total Diety not son, cousins, sisters, or relatives.

Chris: Their opinion is just that. It is NOT evidence. Our evidence must come from Scripture itself. Think about that. If you need to use "Church father evidence" to prove a doctrine, what does that say of that doctrine? A Biblical doctrine needs only the Bible.

Response: I didnt know that direct early church quotes werent evidence. They are secondary to the Bible and Ive always mentioned that. Many scripture doctrines like the End-Times, communion, baptism, need multiple scripture verses for proper uses. Some conception only need one. Thats logical. You right to say that biblical doctrine only need the Bible. The Trinity is a complex dogma necessary to be validate by many bible verses to prove : Multiplicity in Unity of One God, Divinity of Each Members, and Unity of Each Member. Look can easily look at the Bible to figure that out.

Chris: You make no sense here. Yes, I believe God is one, and is infinite etc.

Response: Modalism doesnt make sense since it believes that God transforms into parts without no consistency yet remains one person at the same time. Is that confusing or what?. Modalism is refuted by noting that the Father and Son communicated with each other at the same time, the Father and the Holy Spirit wasnt brought into the flesh, only the Son resurrected from the dead, and only the Holy Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son. God isnt limited to do anything but is bounded by the truth and logic to serve the universe.

Chris: I believe that God is one. You can call me what you like. Call me a Jew too then... Jews believe in One God :)

Response: You are a Modalist Onenes. Muslims believe in one God and that doesnt mean they are true.

Chris: Now, does teh Bible say that God is limited to just three???

Response: The Bible only mentions the Holy Spirit, the Father, and the Son as one God and 3 distinct persons. Manifestations consist of only those 3. Still I dont see a refutation of the pronouns us they and them used for God in plural in the Old Testament.

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Debates

2010-03-20T15:38:00.001-07:00

http://www.scribd.com/doc/15986083/Debates

MOre News

2010-02-11T07:29:00.001-08:00

http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived_Mind_II/index.php?showtopic=2932&st=30

http://thetruth81901.yuku.com/topic/1028/t/Commentaries.html

Debates

2010-02-11T07:02:00.000-08:00

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phantomtruth/message/775

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phantomtruth/message/778

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phantomtruth/message/757

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SEMPER LIBER=Always Free

My Response to Racism

2010-01-22T03:23:00.000-08:00

From http://www.vaticanassassins.org/?p=4200&cpage=1#comment-216

Now, it’s time for me to respond. NewTestamentChristian, you really don’t impress me with your lies and half truths. Let’s have a real response shall we. Now, many of the Egyptians are black as this is evident on archaeological images and works from classical historians. Black/African people aren’t descendants from Canaan, which is a lie. Canaan biblically speaking descend the Phoenicians, Canaanites, etc. They are Hamitic, but speak with a Semitic tongue. Sub-Saharan Africans are not descended from the Phoenicians. The Arkites, Sinites, Arvadites, and Zemarites either died off or became integrated with the Arabic populations in the Middle East and Northern Africa. Mizraim relates to Egypt as found in Genesis 12:10 as you say. These are the sons of Ham, yet they aren’t curse regardless of what Eric says except Canaan. Now, biblically speaking black Africans are descendants of Cush and Phut plus Mizraim. Also, most historians say that Black Africans came from Ham (in his other sons) not from Canaan. Canaanites were heavily wiped out, yet the New Testament ends the curse of the Law, so that old curse doesn’t apply today in 2010. Jewish people aren’t Arabic people, but both are related. They are Semitic ethnically and linguistically. Many ancient Europeans copied cultures from Africa to develop their governmental/religious system. That’s a fact. Ausar-Khepera is right on that point. There are other great civilizations like the Mayans and others. NewTestamentChristian, you are arrogant in trying to mock someone’s intellect just because they are black. Let it be know, that tons of blacks have strong intelligence with a resilient spirit to overcome grave challenges in the society the world over. Zimbabwe even by mainstream historians are proven to be an advanced civilization mostly inhabited by black Africans. There advanced buildings were created by black African peoples. I will never ever let racists and liars deny the great contributions of black people in human history. You cite inventions from other people and that’s fine. Yet, you ignore the complex contributions of black Africans in ancient times. The Songhai Empire (which existed in AD 11th-17th) was an Empire larger than Mali that was renowned for its scholarly culture and complex government. One person said of it that:

"(Surpassed) all other Negroes in wit, civility, and industry."-Leo Africanuas, who was16th Century Spanish Moor

Now, There was the Meriotic alphabet found in Nubia. This script was formed during the Napatan Period in ca. 700-300 B.C. It was deciphered in modern times by British Egyptologist Francis Llewellyn Griffith in 1909. The Meriotic language have yet to be translated completely. There were 23 letters in the Meroitic alphabet, including four vowels. There are tons of ancient architecture in Africa like the Temple in Aksum Kingdom in Ethiopia. The Tichitt Walata is found in ancient Ghana. It’s an ancient architectural location. It was built by the Soninke people and is thought to be the precursor of the Ghana empire. It was being settled around 2000 B.C. One finds well laid out streets and fortified compounds all made out of skilled stone masonry. In all, there were 500 settlements. The famous University in Timbuktu exist and the Great Mosque of Djenne in Mali. It was constructed in the 1200’s. It was reconstructed in 1906 to 1909 to be the largest clay building in the world today. Berki, writing in 1067 about the City of Aoudaghast in Ghana recorded that it is, "A very large city with several markets, many date palms and henna trees as big as olives, filled with fine houses and solid buildings." Ashanti architecture was especially famous in the world as well. So, complex architecture and inventions definitely existed all over Africa in ancient times and today in the 21st century. Even scholars acknowledged the great architecture of sub-Saharan Africa. The person who talked about Haiti and Katrina obviously don’t realize that Haiti was colonized illegally for centuries, Haiti was exploited by unfair loans made by the IMF plus others, illegal occupation came against Haiti by American forces during the early 20th century, and now we are witnessing a military occupation of the nation. Haiti experienced a more complex history than is being witnessed by the mainstream media. As for Katrina, people have been exploited and problems exists there beyond ethnicity (not to mention that FEMA have been exposed as causing corruption over there). There are problems in the black community. No one denies that, yet instead of whining about it in stereotypical terms, people should fight these problems head on. It’s easy to stereotype and scapegoat a whole race of people in an evil fashion. Yet, this isn’t the way I would go in how to conduct my life at all. Blacks should owe nothing to Europeans and Asians technologically, economically, religiously, etc. Blacks owe everything to God alone for it’s God that gave all humans life and inspiration to build up the civilization of mankind. With faith in God, blacks left alone can easily create a massive, stabilizing influence in the world stage of trade, technology, real science, and political development. All things are possible through Christ. Black people have always been great in terms of their history for thousands of years. Black people made technology, science, astronomy, literature, a written language (like the Meriotic script), and other tools of civilization for thousands of years indeed. It takes a human being to realize that all of humanity have value, all humans are born equal (this isn’t related to communism regardless of Eric says since Communism is about forcing people to have equal property rights. Equality isn’t done by force. It’s something your born with by the hand of God), and all believers in Jesus Christ are one. No man should be subservient to no man except to God. You need to repent for embracing bigotry against your fellow human beings. See, I respect the real people who any race including black people who are teachers, scientists, lawyers, athletes, musicians, scholars, blue collar job workers, and others who are making a real difference in the communities of the world. Don’t get it misconstrued. I still disagree with Secret Societies, the Jesuits, etc. Yet, I won’t let my opposition to them to scapegoat a whole group of people. This isn’t over since I will defend the dynamic nature and unique value of all human beings of all backgrounds forever. I thank God that people like me are around to set the record straight on this issue.

By Timothy

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It's not New Age to say that all races are equal. That's false. Equality doesn't everyone is identical. Equality means all people have equal worth, equal value, and have a chance to achieve great contributions in society via intervention. See, the New Age Movement believes in evolution and a distinction of inferior and superior classes. This philosophy was embraced by the Nazis along with genocide like many New Agers want (via population control). Hitler was a radical New Ager and believed in white Aryan superiority myths as it relates to the story of Atlantis. High level Freemason C. William Smith believes that the Nordic race is superior and wants a new world order.

This New Age supremacist lie is embraced by many leading figures of the new world order and the eugenics crowd ironically. The New Age teaches that there are higher levels of beings and lower levels of beings in the scale of consciousness. That is why in the late 1960's, Big Foundations funded Bush-allied eugenics to promote racist ideologies. This is documented in "The Unauthorized Biography of George H. W. Bush." Not to mention that there is not a single view that bans misgencation among God-fearing people at all in the OT and NT. God isntituted nations, but that doesn't mean that you restrict people from living in those nation based on their physical appearance. See, God doesn't judge us by our outward appearance, but by our actions. Also, in human history, people of color (and all people) then and now have been great intellectual leaders, scientists, theologians, etc. That proves that any human has a chance to achieve great cognitive ability if they are given the right intervention and assistance.

Therefore, all humans are equal. You will never make me think otherwise. Even when I'm old, I will still have the same views on this issue. I don't like to talk about this issue since I've debated people on this issue for years here, but when something slick is mentioned, I have no choice but to put my 2 cents in.

By Timothy

LInks on this subject (since I do have backup on this issue):

(New Age /Nazi links)
http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1185.cfm

http://www.despatch.cth.com.au/Books_D/NewAge_exposed.htm

http://www.toolan.com/hitler/survive.html

http://www.eugenics-watch.com/roots/index.html

New Agers don't believe that all people are equal:
http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0338...d_Euthanas.html

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Commentar...s_Freemason.htm

The smoking gun:

http://www.lermanet.com/rainbow-swaztika/

Just because this controversy I might expose the racism, New Age, Hitler connection.

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God didn't seperate the races after the FLood. He seperated people by their nations. There is a difference. Difference languages exist and people of different ethnic groups can speak the same language. Throughout human history, many ethnic groups were in one nation. Even the OT mentioned non-Hebrews accepted in the Hebrew nation if they were believers in God. The Bible explicitly doesn't define race at all. Like I've mentioned, equality doesn't mean identity. Feminism accept the later. I don't. Communism is not equality. Communism is stripping individual liberty and binding up a person's rights under the cog of the state. In fact, Communism doesn't promote equality. It promotes a poorer class and a rich elite in a feudal system. It deny equality of people based on their class. No one says that males and females are interchangeable. What is true that males and females have equal worth and value. Women have a right to work or be housewifes if they want to. I don't want radical feminists running my life or women being treated like they live in Iran. Also, Communism is about an authoritarianism wherefore your wealth is stolen illegally to benefit the collective (even if you are innocent). Communism is theft not true spiritual equality at all. Stealing wealth and stripping individual liberties (which is a definition of Communism) isn't about true equality at all. The Bible is clear for us to judge not by a person's appearance, but by their actions and doctrines. You can't show me a single Bible verse that misgenceation is banned among believers in God at all. Also, homosexuality and gay marriage are actions that can be judged. Those living in a homosexual lifestyles are sinners that can be saved and change just like an adulterer or a heterosexual sex addict. A sin is a sin. Even those living in a different lifestyle than me have equal value to any other human being. That issue has nothing to do with the justification of certain social controversies.Folks are waking up and the games are over. If you want to seperate, that's fine with me. It's a free country. Yet, we have a right also to reject stereotypes and demonization of people of color as well. As for me, I rather visit in rural and urban areas as a man who can get along with people of different backgrounds.By Timothyhttp://www.answersingenesis.org/cec/docs/one_blood_sg.aspThank God I don't believe what you believe in. Also, outlining our contributions and exposing evil isn't gribbing. That's being real to yourself. See, trying to equate legitimate speech with whining is silly. Not to mention that no one here is accusing you of being a racist. It has nothing to do with being PC to expose racists. It's being PC to deny that racism exists in the world. It's really PC to deny that any human can achieve great thing irrespective of their condition in life. Difference in intellect (or a relative being in special education) has nothing to do with the concept of equality. Equality means equal value not being identical. No human is identical to another human being. You know what. It was real gripping that caused our independence from the UK, it was real gripping that ended the Civil War, it was that real gripping that created changed in society to give women the right to vote and people of color many legitimate civil liberties. So, I'm thankful for the First Amendment to allow people like me and others to gripe and whine to endorse liberty in the world and to fight against evil. Sorry, I'm not being P.C. neither a compromiser and dance to the tune of stereotypes.

By Timothy

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Jared Taylor's racist views have been exposed by people from across the political spectrum. Race is a social construct. Not to mention that many groups of people are made up of many so-called "races" like Hispanic people. Differences in skin color, hair, etc. do exist. Yet, these physical differences are a small percentage in the total part of human DNA. Differences in gender do exist, but this doesn't mean that females have less value than males. I have a right to my views and people have a right to agree or disagree with me. Some people believe in the improvement of humans and other don't. Some deny the great contributions of people of color, but I refuse to do so. Some people accept lame, false stereotypes about their fellow man and others don't. Some believe that forced segregration can solve our sin condition and I don't. Some believe in demonizing their fellow man and others don't. Some try to talk about Detriot (which has economic issues. Common sense would dictate that crime rates are high in economically distressed locations) and deny a peaceful rural area of mostly African Americans in Southhampton, Virginia. While some talk about Detriot, I might talk about record achievements of people of color in education in Hampton Roads. It's hilarious to see grown men and women falsely call Barack Obama a Muslim (which is disinformation and a distaction) without seeing the real picture that he's just another puppet of the establishment. Lynn didn't prove that he is a Muslim. She proved that Barack Obama is pro-Muslim. See, there's a difference between being pro-Muslim (yet you don't practice the faith) and being a real Muslim. There is no evidence that he does the 5 pillars of the faith, the zadat, or the Hajj. So, unless you can provide me that evidence, to me Barack Obama isn't a Muslim. Also, I've been in gifted classes before and I've seen people of color of there. I'm from a younger generation than you, so this is more common among my time. Also, some ancient Egyptians being black (not all) is a historical fact and I have mainstream sources to prove it. That outlines history not the question of human equality necessarily. The Israelites were olive skinned to dark skinned as any scholar would tell you since they are originally Semitic.

Affirmative action? Some people were denied of rights via 400 years of discrimination and second class citizenship. I don't believe in quotas, but when you are deny oppurutnities for centuries, it's common to see programs to help minorites (who lack oppurtunities and the poor). That isn't affirmative action. That's compassion. Now, I don't believe in quotas, but I do believe in scholarships and other programs to help those disadvantaged. Also, you did omit country club rules, restrictive laws, grandfather clauses, and in the past these things were called the LAW. That's reverse affirmative action.

Only someone really decieved would you solely use their personal experiences as an excuse to prejudge a whole group of people (many of whom they don't even know or had contact with). That's irony. I agree with Eric on exposing the Jesuits, etc. but not on all of his views on race:

http://www.fairtest.org/researchers-refute-bell-curve

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curv...ictory_findings

http://www.lipmagazine.org/~timwise/taylordebate.html

(Jared Taylor getting destroyed in a debate with Tim Wise)

http://www.timwise.org/

http://www.lipmagazine.org/~timwise/TypicalWhiteDenial.html

http://www.hirhome.com/rr/rrcontents.htm

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-bellcurvescience.htm

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-intervention.htm

http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/bellcurve.html

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Thankyou, Timothy, atleast someones talking some sense on this issue here, but anyway there's no point arguing at the end of the day people will believe what they want to believe. I'm just here for the good information by Phelps, Craig and others on who the controllers of this conspiracy are, I'd rather they left there racial and religious opinions to themselves though.

One other thing I wanted to say about this is that this white race is superior thing is also part of the new age occult stuff and eugenics that Hitler was into and how he was into the white Aryan race thing and stuff. This is exactly the same ideas that they propagate.

-Phazon

Victory

2010-01-17T16:31:00.001-08:00

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phantomtruth/message/6987

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phantomtruth/message/7222

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phantomtruth/message/8714

Racial Profiling

2010-01-16T14:03:00.001-08:00

Racial profiling is a canard and unConstitutional. Since in this Republic, you protect all men's rights, but racial profiling singles out people because of their races depriving their equal Constitutional rights as citizens of America. Racial profiling is unnecessary and wrong.

By Timothy

Observant analysis

2010-01-03T14:20:00.001-08:00

Observant analysis

Hijacking the truth are some people in the media, evil people in government, and other criminals, but the truth will come out as the victor beyond the circumstances. Technology is speeding ahead rapidly in the world. An MCNBC article onJanuary 12 2006 (written By Leonard David) discussed about new beam weaponry. That weaponry can shoot lasers from space to earth or within space. The U.S. Armys Tactical High Energy Laser in White Sands, N.M., tested this new laser weapon in stopping rockets. It can revolutionize warfare in being more advanced. Illegal Immigration is still a hot topic. Border patrol agents found a tunnel between Mexico and Arizona. The Democratic Arizona Governor called for the military to back up the border patrol, because of the rampant illegal immigration problem. The Daily Bulletin on January 11 2006 has an article written By Sara A. Carter and Mason Stockstill that MS-13 gang are trying to kill border patrol agents. MS-13 or Mara Salvatrucha street gang is a gang based in El Salvador. It has about 20,000 members and the FBI called them as one of the most dangerous gang in America. Alberto Gonzales is right to respect for illegal immigrants, but our laws shouldn't be broken in the process and an open border system is not an option. The Alito hearings is done with only his supporters and opposers testifying.

I don't believe that Samuel Alito is a very evil human being, but he has made decisions on the Pro-choice side and his records on executive power plus civil liberties concern. His wife crying was unforunate. Some of the Democratic Senators didn't say it, but implied that Alito was a racist, which was obviously false and unfair. Alito said that he didn't recall membership in the CAP group that forbid minorities and women as members. Ted Kennedy was the one who pressed this issue greatly, but Ted was a member of the Owl group that forbid women as well. Ted also exprienced the Mary Jo incident as well. Now, I must oppose Reconstructionism more strongly. Gary de Mar believes in that false Movement and many people in Reconstructionism and Dominionism (not all) are racists and harbor anoymity toward Jewish people. These people forgotten that Jesus was a Jew, the Bible says that salvation is of the Jews, and many Jewish people in or out of Israel made great contributions in the world. Iran has an bigger focus today.

Yesterday, Condoleeza Rice had a secret meeting to called for the IAEA to stop Iran's nuclear program. Bush's team might even come into the United Nations to call for sanctions against Iran. As for me, I disagree with any war with Iran sicne Iran doesn't directly threaten us. The American and European government actually gave Iran much of their nuclear material. Steven Watson made several legitimate points proving this and the Globalists' (plus Neo-cons') intensions of invading Iran if necessary. Of course this is insane, because American troop levels are overly stretched, Iran's nuclear program is stagnant at best, and finally the American people would not support a military strike against Iran.

The dehumanization situation in the world is worse than I thought. The London DailyMail article written by JULIE WHELDON on January 13 2006 talked about how British scientists want to create embryos by combining rabbit eggs with human DNA. They want to cure diseases, but to create and kill embryos (which is human life since it has human DNA and it grows) is morally wrong. Many of these scientists have a Frankenstein mentality by debasing human life for the sake of the "greater good" as they see it, but to do evil to try to accomphlish some "good" is still evil. Planned Parenthood (who wants babykilling to come up) and developer Louis Cappelli seeks to built 12,547-square-foot Planned Parenthood center on a 1-acre city-owned lot on Garden Street in New Rochelle, New York. Dr. David M. Fergusson's study (from New Zealand), published in the widely respected Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry found that womean who had an abortion were at a higher risk for suicide, major depression, anxiety disorder and drug dependence. This fact is one more piece of evidence to back up the Pro-Life Movement.

I think that the site of www.wherethetruthhurts.org/index.htm is a good site. The reason is this site was created by Conservative Christians who not only are fighting this culture war, but they oppose the Iraq War, and are independent in their own thinking of serious issues. The Pastor is Dr. Patrick Johnson of the Constitution Party in Ohio. Congressman Ron Paul, David Stewart and others have pointed out the corruption in the Federal Reserve. The Fed consolodate wealth unto themselves, while spew out worthless, fiat money which doesn't massively benefit the middle class at all. Bohemian Grove member Alan Greenspan is about to retire from the FED. The FED was created by pro-central bankers elitists in the early 20th century. "The Creature from Jerkyl Island" and other book make home that point of the corruption inside of the FED as well. I just learned recently that NASA had an connection with the Wheeling Jesuit University located at West Virginia. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that Big Brother is all over the nation (i.e. RFID chips, cameras, etc.) and especially in Britian with tons of cameras. This isn't the time to be fearful though. The evil people in government want us to be afraid of this stuff, but we shouldn't. We should work harder than ever in waking people up, helping our neighbor, and contributing to this world in whatever fashion we can.

By Timothy

JWs

2010-01-03T14:15:00.001-08:00

-You have assurance of salvation and Heaven (John 10:10, 1 John 5:13).
-There is no visible organization of God on Earth right now (Luke 17:20-21)
-Jesus Christ is God not a created being (1 Timothy 3:16, John 1:1, 4, Mt. 1:23, Isaiah 9:6).
-God is one in 3 persons (1 John 5:7, Col. 2:9, Mt. 28:19)/
-The Holy Spirit speaks audibly (Acts 13:2).
-Hell is real and the wicked are eternally punished not annihilated (1 Cor. 15:21-22, John 5:28-29, Mt. 25:46, Mt. 25:41, Rev. 14:11, Mt. 25:46).
-Your faith is in vain if Christ didnt rose from the dead (1 Cor. 15:17).
-The Holy Spirit is the Comforter (John 15:26, John 14:26)
-Salvation is by grace through faith not by works (Ephesians 2:8-9).

1968-2008

2010-01-03T13:49:00.000-08:00

40 years transvered since the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. It was a terrible tradegy. Dr. Martin Luther King was murdered on April 4, 1968. King was going into Memphis for to protest the unfairly practices against the Black Sanitation workers. He stayed at a local black hotel to outline basic solidarity with his African American people. Later, one of his advisers moved him up into the second floor. On the night before the assassination, Dr. Martin Luther King gave an eloquent speech projecting the image of the mountaintop. He said that he won't go into the Promise Land, but he'd seen the Promise Land. In other words, he might not live to see America transform itself radically into a location consisting of more racial harmony, but he knew that the future would be better than 1968. This was a basic transition in Dr. King's life since he not only talked about race (many non-black were involved in the Civil Rights Movement not only African American people), but wanted to fight against poverty and end warfare in Vietnam. Ralph Abernathy, Jesse Jackson, and other allies worked with King in Memphis from March to early April 2008. He stood on the balcony and a shot killed him. Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and John McCain are having remembrances on this somber day. The convicted killer was a man named James Earl Ray. He, his father, and his brother were habitual criminals. Ray was in prison for a time before the assassination. James Earl Ray died because of cancer of the liver in 1998. Ray believed that he was forced to confess in order to prevent his relative from spending life in prison. Ray believed that "Raoul" was a code name for an FBI agent that handled some of his affairs. Ray later recanted his original confession. Ray said that Raoul told him to met him in Jim Grill's place. Now, a court case existed years ago making known of a possible government conspiracy against Dr. Martin Luther King. It's definitely true that Martin Luther King was illegally stalked by the FBI. 33rd Degree Freemason J. Edgar Hoover harbored hatred for King. Dr. William Pepper (a friend of the King family and a civil rights attorney) represented James Earl Ray. Pepper subscribed to the view that the government, Lloyd Jowers, and others were involved in a conspiracy to assassinate Dr. Martin Luther King. The wrongful death trial was in Pepper's and the King family's favor. Dr. King wasn't perfect as we all know. I'm not naive about his errors. Yet, King was correct to say that oppression against any human being was wrong, violence against a man based on his skin color is immoral, and that all human beings have a right to protest (and fight) for legitimate rights and oppurtunities in any society. Dr. Martin Luther King changed the world. Ted Turner once again made extremist, wild comments about world populations. Turner commented that global warming is going to be so bad in the future that cannabalism will be a reality. This is typical of him, because he made outrageous statements before. For example, Turner called Christians boozos and losers. He wanted billions of people to die in population control procedures. Ted Turner is a pro-abortion billionare. Many population control proponents are in league with the agenda of the new world order. These supporters exist in big elite bodies like Planned Parenthood, the IMF, and the United Nations. A Youtube video document how George H. W. Bush funded a program for sterilization of Native Americans in the early 1970's. The United Nations is one of the leaders of population control activities worldwide (even Pat Robertson agreed with his sick support for China's one child policy including forced abortion. Forced abortion is blatantly wrong). Turner's paranoia about global warming are refuted by these facts. China had its coldest winter for 100 years and record snow levels across Northeast America. Even the BBC reported that global temperatures will drop slightly this year because of the La Nina current in the Pacific. La Nina has a cooling effect in certain regions of the world. Now, this proves that climate change can raise or lower world temperatures. Ted Turner is utilizing climate change as an excuse for depopulation goals. Natural changes including sun activity are the primarily reasons for climate change not necessarily CO2 emissions. Carbon emissions have never driven climate change because as ice core samples clearly show. Carbon dioxide is a consequence of temperature increase and not a cause of it, which can lag high temperatures behind by as much as 800 years. CO2 is a good gas since all creatures in the animal kingdom and planets (which is necessary for photosynthesis in their life cycle in the planet) need it for survival. Climate change has never radically increased since 1998. Some scientists predict a global cooling scenario until the year of 2030. Steven Ertelt from LifeNews.com Editor at April 3, 2008 reported more about Ted Turner's comments. Turner continued to lie that the world has too many people. Areas like Europe, Japan, and even parts of the United States suffer a form of an underpopulation crisis. Russia is expected to lose one third of its own population by 2050. Japan may not even support its aging population. "Demographic Winter" is a film exposing these basic truths. According to the film and pro-family organizations, There are now 59 nations, with 44% of the world's population, with below replacement birthrates. So, don't believe the lies and disinformation on this issue. Dana Gabriel from OpEdNews at April 3, 2008 described about the SPP or the Security and Prosperity Parternship. Gabriel wrote that elected representatives in Canada, the U.S., and Mexico have agreed to introduce simultaneous legislation to stop the SPP. Some legislators also want to renegotiate NAFTA which will be chaired by NDP Trade Critic Peter Julian. NAFTA should be scraped, beacuse it violates national sovereignity and it's an unfair trade deal resulting in the loss of jobs in all 3 nations.

The SPP should be opposed by Congresspeople and all Americans (including those citizens living in Mexico and Canada). The SPP is planning another meeting in New Orleans at April 21-22, 2008. Protests are planned there, because New Orleans was one urban place where Katrina ravaged. The SPP is wrong since unelected bureaucrats created it without Congressional approval in an attempt to control economic (plus political) policies in America, Canada, and Mexico. The SPP is an offshoot of NAFTA with the same anti-national soverignity fervor. Representative Chris Smith produced a statement in April 2008 that abstinence and fidelity are necessary to improve the AIDS crisis in Africa. He talked about this issue, because the original AIDS bill included provisions in it that funded abortion providers in Africa. As many researchers realize, abortion provisions contributed to the population control evils occuring in the Third World regions like sub-Saharan Africa. Smith's statement outlined a call for balanced funding for abstinence, delay of a sexual debut, monogamy, fidelity, and partner reduction. Uganda has been success story in AIDS/HIV reduction via utilizing ABC (or using a change of behavior not solely using condoms). Abstinence programs have worked in places like Uganda. The ACLU or the American Civil Liberties Union discovered details about a secret Justice Department memo from October 2001. This memo states that the Fourth Amendment had no application to domestic, military operations. This proved that the White House has total dismissal of the U.S. Constitution, because the military are bounded to all laws of the Constitution (even the 4th Amendment). The memo was written by John Yoo, who of course wrote torture memos. Yoo is also a co-author of the USA Patriot Act (the Jesuit Georgetown University was crucial in the development of the Patriot Act additionally). I want to mention this. A lot of the elite in America are not only members of the Jesuits, the Freemasons, or the Bilderbergers. They are also members of Greek fraternities like the AKA, etc. In many GLOs (or Greek Lettered Fraternities), hazing, swearing of oaths, and other bizarre rituals are commonplace. Any Greek fraternities that have swearing of oaths, hazing, and other bizarre rituals violate the Word of God. The reason is that Jesus Christ forbid us to swear oaths, to do no violence unto no man, and not have secrecy at all in the book of Matthew and other verses of Scriptures. For example, Delta Sigma Theta praise Minerva. Some GLOs have either direct or indirect relationships with Freemasons. Even pro-Masonic website admit to this. That's why I didn't get myself involved with such organizations. These groups exist in many races. I realize that not all GLOs members are devil worshippers or insincere. Many Christian-related organizations exist. I personally don't feel like joining such groups. It's not my thing.

Jesse Ventura's denial of the official story about 9/11 has reached across the Internet and some of the news media. Bill O'Reilly mocked Ventura's beliefs. Michelle Malkin's blog called Hot Air is mocking his views as well. The reason is because they aren't true conservatives, but Neo Cons. Neo Cons believe in overspending in the military to enhance unjustified wars, and they believe that decreasing civil liberties is a means to have security when it actually inhibits security in a nation (also this gives the license of the government to have oppressive control over the lives of citizens). The blog specifically formented ad-hominem attacks. The Hot Air blog didn't conclusively refute Jesse's fact that jet feul never destroyed skyscrapers by itself in history before 9/11. Malkin cites the Popular Mechanics article when David Ray Griffin wrote a book entitled "Debunking 911 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory" refuting many of the points found in Popular Mechanics. Witnesses heard explosives and Professor Steven Jones believes that thermate was an explosive device that actively destroy the complex steel strcuture of the Twin Towers. Rudy Giuliani allowed much of the debris to be shipped into India and China without much investigation of it. The 9/11 Commission didn't even mention Building Number Seven when it collapsed (in less than 7 seconds) in on itself without any planes hitting it at all. There are praticially hundreds of smoking guns easily refuting the official story about 9/11. There is the Jeremiah Wright controversy again. This time a Jesuit preist named M. Pfleger is support Wright and Louis Farrakhan. It's a known fact that Farrakhan is an ally of the Jesuits and Freemasons like Robert Schuller (who is a 33rd Degree Freemason. Schuller is a friend of Ecumencial apostate Protestant preacher Billy Graham. Schuller believes in TM Mediation and believes that Christians and Muslims worship the same God. Freemasons like Jesse Jackson have shook hands with Pope John Paul II). Now, why is Pfleger supporting both men? I believe the reason is that all 3 men are close politically. In other words, all 3 men are liberal on most issues. Pfleger is a liberal Jesuit and feels kinship with Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan. Futhermore, Pfleger is a known hater of the Second Amendment and gun rights. He even threaten legitimate gun manufactures. The right to bear arms or the right of self defense is inherit in all human beings. It should be protected not restricted as some want to occur in this nation. If your family is under attack, it is no sin to defend your family's life. Pleger believes that Wright and Farrakhan aren't racists. What's the truth? The truth is that Reverend Wright is wrong on some things and right on other points. It's obvious that many Jesuits like Wright and Farrakhan. If this wasn't the case, a Jesuit priest like Pfleger wouldn't praise both men. The Jesuit Order is a group invented since the 1500's who were instrumental in wars, agitation, infiltration of people, and has a goal of riding the influence of Protestants plus Baptists in the world. That is why the Jesuits supported the Council of Trent bashing Protestant/Baptist principles. That is why John Adams wrote a note to Thomas Jefferson in the 1800's brutally criticizing the Jesuits for their nefarious corruption. Farrakhan was a person who speaks agitation and constantly supports a fraudulent adulterer like Elijah Muhammad (even Malcolm X exposed Elijah Muhammad which angered Farrakhan. This anger lead NOI members to kill Malcolm X when the NOI was infilitrated by the FBI). Louis Farrakhan played the violin in the Jesuit Boston College. Ironically, Farrakhan and Wright are praised at the Catholic St. Sabina Church. Islam and Catholicism has connections obviously. Each love to venerate Mary, each have Rosary beads, each have an anti-Jewish history, each originated from Babylonian precepts, and each promote certain unscriptural works as being a means for salvation (The Bible on the other hand says God's grace alone merits man for salvation. Humans do have to do good works, but after salvation not as a means to get saved). Barack Obama made a shocking statement on abortion. As many realize, Obama is the most pro-abortion Presidential candidate in American history. He even agrees with partial birth abortion and aborting babies who survive abortion as proven by Jill Stanek. He said the following words: "I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby." Many Pro-Lifers have shown great criticism against this morally baffling statement like Day Gardner, who is the President of the National Black Pro-Life Union. The truth is that a baby is never a mistake. It's a blessing from God. Now, there are plenty of out-of wedlock mothers. Yet, historically, many out of wedlock mothers have produced exceptionally intelligence and capable human beings of many colors and ethnic groups throughout human history. An unplanned pregnancy is no justification to kill an unborn child via abortion. Other solutions like counseling, adoption, and other forms of assistance can assistant mothers caught in that basic position. Obama may be right that the Iraq War never should have occured (which is causing debt and depressing our dollar value), that we should invest in building our infrastructure, and we should have tax relief toward companies that maintain their businesses here in America. Yet, Barack Obama is dead wrong on the issue of abortion (which can have negative consequences affecting women from depression, infertility, etc.).
Melonie Magruder from The Malibu Times at April 3, 2008 described about water flouridation in LA County. Local activists there seek more information on the flouridation program. Dr. Heidi Hame is naive to say flouride is great. On the otherhand, flouride is a known industrial waste product that can contribute to low IQ rates and bone destruction. A Harvard University study found that heightened levels of fluoride, which showed a definable increase of risk for osteosarcoma, a bone cancer typically found in children. The activist group Coastal Citizens for Safe Drinking oppose the flouride in water measures. They and other groups want strict tests in water to figure out what is needed to have safe water supplies. Hence, Flouride, aspartame etc. are known poisons. The government promoting these poisons are nothing new. The War on Drugs savaged people's liberties while the mainstream media regularly ignores the fact that an ex-DEA agent named Robert Bonner admit that the CIA contributed to shipping cocaine into America. Chip Tatum, Alexander Cockburn, and of course Gary Webb written literature on how the government ships drugs into America. Kevin Booth's "American Drug War: The Last White Hope" is a film documenting this information. The federal War on Drugs is a war on liberty and some non-violent drug offenders are having jail sentences, which are similar to rapists and murderers. Those like the non-violent offenders in prison contribute to the prison industrial complex making huge profits for select corporations. The government will make some drugs illegal, while making legal many dangerous pharmaceutical drugs plus allow poisons like sodium flouride in our water sytem. Some of these drugs contributed to the acts of school murderers and serial killers even recently in VA Tech. Even industrial hemp (it has tons of benefits) grown by private citizens is banned by the federal government. The deal is that states and individuals should handle the drug issue primarily not the federal government. Not a single word in the Constitution calls for the government to declare war on what substances we take into our own bodies. I don't agree with taking drugs recreationally or using substances like cocaine, but that's my individual choice. Those who suffer from drug addiction need real treatment and other solutions for their complications. It's important to improve our health. We should have a balance of foods like fruits, vegetables, natural fats (too much of fat is a bad thing, but we do need some fat would build up our energy levels), and real meats (like turkey, fish, some yet not too much red meat, etc.). MIKE MORRIS from the Washington Times at Thursday, on April 3, 2008 wrote about street sweeper cameras that eye illegal parking. Technology and Big Brother just are accelerating at a phenomeral rate. D.C. officials like many large urban areas put cameras on light poles, police cars, and government buildings. Now, those officials in Washington D.C. wish for such cameras on street sweepers. This request was introduced by Mayor Adrian M. Fenty. The D.C. Council unanimously approved these cameras. The purpose of these devices is to monitor vehicles to repel speeding and red light running. At least 74 cameras are in Washington D.C. Linda Grant, a spokeswoman for the D.C. Department of Public Works (DPW), agree with this way as a means to clean streets. Street sweeping has clean the streets better than using polluntants. For example, A 2007 agency study showed that street sweepers removed pollutants like oil and grease at a rate of 10 pounds per mile swept, while chemicals like nitrogen and phosphorus were brushed up at a rate of three pounds per mile swept. 40 Years is a generation of time. In our generation, hopefully we can fight for the truth and we independent in our own thinking. I disagree with the new world order, I believe in individual liberty (i.e. I don't view the state as God. God is God), I reject occult Secret Societies, and I respect life.

By Timothy

Another Response

2009-12-29T12:22:00.001-08:00

*This is my response to Catholic #1 and his views. Enjoy.

Catholic #1: Hislop has long been rendered obsolete and Chick, well, what can you say about that.

Response: I dont consider Hislop and Jack Chick obsolete at all. Why do many people dislike Jack Chick? Its because hes been a soul winner for decades and never backed down from exposing the many Catholic superstitions that plague their religion like a virus.

Hislop conclusively proved that many of the infrastructures of the Catholic Church like the Papacy, nuns, mitre, mass, and other things have origins from the Mystery Religions of Egypt and Babylon not from the Bible. Jack Chick has proven to be a soul-winner for Christ and shown great exposes about Mormonism, Catholicism, Freemasonry, Jehovah Witnesses, Evolution, and Bible preservation for decades. Those things and what Hislop wrote are relevant today and are never obsolete.

Catholic #1: For info about chick and Hislop, look to catholic.com for their essays on them.

Response: Sorry, I rather look at www.piney.com/HislopTOC1.html and www.chick.com and see what both men have to say, not distortions. Chick have opposed Freemasonry, JWs, Islam, etc. and that should be commended. His opposition to the religion on Catholicism is founded on Scripture.

Catholic #1: Either/or arguments are a hallmark of Protestantism, though Jesus stated he was the foundation, yet we see in Rev ther are 12 foundations. The saints in heaven share in Jesus. Jesus is the head, we are his body, working together. Honoring Mary is the same as Jesus, as Jesus was a good Jew following the 10 commandments perfectly. Paul stated he suffered for the body, "lacking in Christ's iflictions" Is he saying Jesus didnt do enough? NO! he joins himself to Christ, as we all should do.

Response: This is a classic case of distortion. The Bible says that Christ is the foundation and the chief corner stone plus the Rock period (1 Corinthians 3:11, Ephesians 2:20, Romans 9:33, 1 Corinthians 10:4). The 12 foundations in Revelations refer to the New city of Jerusalem, not to the real and total indestructible foundation and Rock of the Lord Jesus Christ. Nice tactic in distorting the Scriptures to suit your agenda. I agree that the saints in Heaven live with Jesus and that Jesus is the head of the Church and believers are the body working together. On the other hand, there is no scriptural proof of a Pope, nuns, priests being a small number when God established the priesthood of all believers (1 Peter 2:5, 1 Peter 2:9).

The Lord Jesus Christ is our only High Priest (Hebrews 7:26). There is nothing wrong with Honoring Mary, but I honor all believers equally not just Mary. Mary is a fallible, sinful woman since the Bible says that all men sinned. If you deny that all men have sinned before, you call the Bible a liar. The Catholic religion believes in venerating Mary and many Catholic documents cite Marian worship and some document classify Mary as a co-Mediatrix.

The Bible Says that Jesus Christ is the only Mediator between God and man plus we arent to worship nothing but God (1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews 12:24, Exodus 34:14). It isnt necessarily for veneration since we respect Mary, but Christ should be our majority for all veneration and honor should be given to all believers (which makes up Mary) equally. Christ was God in the flesh and called Mary woman. I have no problem with man suffering problems after salvation, but suffering is never redemptive. Only God Almighty can redeem us by nothing of ourselves. There is nothing wrong with joining with Jesus Christ, but not following false doctrines like the existence of a Pope, nuns, scapular, rosary beads with repetitive prayer violating Gods word (Matthew 6:7), etc.

Catholic #1: It is not either/or.

Response: There is context in scripture and God said choose heaven or choose Hell. There is an either or in life.

Catholic #1: Any one that seriously believes in Chick, is rather sacary as all his sources 'are covered up" or "trust me"

Response: Jack Chick is right on Evolution, Freemasonry, JWs, Islam, etc. I trust him and his sources and his work are not covered up or intentionally false. Many of his sources include information involving Creation, music, and other issues, not just the Catholic Church. Hes very wide in his perspective.

Catholic #1: Rivera and Todd were documented criminals, these, Chick's sources.

Response: Chick uses more sources than Rivera and Todd. Chick uses sources from Intelligent design promoters, Bible scholars, researchers, etc. Watchman may call me a smearer and question Chick, but I wont. Rivera was a man who made mistakes, but his fundamental arguments of the corruption of the Catholic Church and the Jesuits are facts. Todd was a man who made mistakes as well, but he tried his best to outline the Satanism is prevalent in society and the Secret Societies power in America. That should be cherished not condemned.

Catholic #1: I have read Marcavages views on this site about Catholics. He spends more time, it seems fighting us than focusing on abortion, etc.

Response: Marcavages has a right to believe in what he wants about Catholics. Abortion is forever evil and murder, but ecumenical unity is wrong and shouldnt be used to fight against legitimate social ills at all. I dont follow ecumenicalism and Rome is surely promoting that gambit to con Bible-Believers to compromise their faith for submitting to the teachings of the Vatican. I will never submit to the Vatican, Freemasonry, or other false groups at all. God allowed me to witness the truth in front of my face and I will not deny God. Dissent with false doctrine is scriptural and not evil or a hindrance to people.

Catholic #1: His posts and info show he never really knew anything about Catholicism. Reading articles and statements do not make one a Catholic nor an expert. He clearly knows little about us. Further, the "ex" title is telling. Ex-smokers are some of the biggest anti-smoking nazi's around.

Response: Thats so funny that you call an ex-Catholic like Marcavages as not knowing anything about Catholicism. Catholicism is easy to understand. It believes that works save, that Mary is sinless, that the mass contains the body and blood of Jesus Christ in a circular wafer (used by the ancient Babylonian and Egyptian pagans), that purgatory is a real place, that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ when the Pope is never mentioned in the Bible and the Early Church condemned a bishop of bishops as Cyprian eloquently said in his works.

Catholic #1: Watchman,

I respect the fact that you are at least willing to look at both sides. By reviewing sites such as catholic .com, Catholic Apologetics International, Scripture Catholic, etc one should get a fair and balanced view of what we believe. Not some Chick-fantasy.

Response: Chick is not showing fantasy. Jack Chick is right that Roman Catholicism embraces purgatory, the Papacy, etc. Hes right that the Jesuits have been involved with negative activities before. Hes right that Freemasonry is wrong and occultic and hes right that God existed and that he created the heavens and the Earth. Jack Chick is right on a lot of issues.

Catholic #1: As I have said before, look at what we REALLY believe, not what someon with a clear grudge or slant has to say.

Response: I always know what Catholicism is all about by the Bible, Vatican II documents, early church quotes, more Catholic documents, and other information years ago. I dont have a grudge or slant.

Catholic #1: I have talked to Ralph Woodrow. He wrote a second book refuting, totally, Hislop's views in light on current archeology, etc.

Response: I havent heard of Ralph Woodrow. Hislops main premise that paganism influenced many of the doctrines of Romanism is a fact. I dont care how many books Woodrow right, since that cant be denied. Many scholars write literature blasting others opinion and that doesnt mean that the blaster is accurate at all.

Hislop believed that the cross was a satanic symbol!!

Response: The cross was a satanic symbol if you when a cross with equal sides on it. The cross in the form of a Tau is from heathen civilizations and thats proven by modern research, archaelogy, and history. Thats Hislops point. Thats not extremist for Christ rose from the dead. Having Christ on a cross around your neck is really sick for Christ is not on the cross but on the right hand of God the Father.

www.thewordsofeternallife.com/cross.html is a site with multiple sources proving the pagan origin of the cross.

Catholic #1: He is extremely eccentric

Response: He may be eccentric, but right on his arguments.

Catholic #1: I have read the KJV, comapring it to my 2 Catholic Bibles. NO disagreement. The original KJV had the so-call "apocrapha" books !!!!!

Response: Many scholars have pointed out the many disagreement between the Catholic Bible and KJV. The original KJV had apocrypha books originally because it was of a reference tool not because they were as equally accurate as the 66-book canon. The early Church like Jerome, Origen, Hilary, etc. rejected it. Jewish scholars like Josephus, The Council of Jamnia, and Philo, and others in the time of Christ and for hundreds of years after the death and resurrection of Jesus condemned the Apocrypha as being inaccurate. Thats a historical fact.

The Roman Catholic Church did not officially canonize the Apocrypha until the Council of Trent (1546 AD). Even King James and William Tyndale condemned the Apocrypha. The Apocrypha have many unscriptural precepts like prayers for the dead and sinless perfection (2 Maccabees 12:39-46), Salvation by Almsgiving (Ecclesiasticus 3:30), Purgatory (II Maccabees 12:39-45), the justification of suicide (II Maccabees 14:43-46), slavery and cruelty (Ecclesiasticus 33:24-28), and reincarnation (Wisdom of Solomon 8:19-20). Lying, assassination and magical incantations are also approved in the Apocrypha. Luther and Calvin regarded the Apocrypha as not inspired works of God. Luther called it solely for edification and Calvin rejected them out right. So, Bible-Believers rejected the Apocrypha from the beginning.

Catholic #1: TRy as I have, I could not find any validation of the man-made Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide or for some of you, once-saved-always-saved.

Response: There is tons of validation of Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide and other precepts. Sola Scriptura is the belief that the Scriptures alone are sufficient to help a believer to find all fundamental doctrines of Christianity. Sola Scriptura also means that the Bible is the supreme source of information for religious usage, the final court of appeal for doctrine, and sufficient guide for any religious walk. Those 3 signs can be easily derived from Gods word. Thats a fact since 2 Timothy 3:15-16 All Scripture is inspired. Also see Psalm 89:34 .Not even God would alter his word. 2 Peter 1:20-21 says his written word is inspired and not given by private inspiration. The prophecy came by holy men of God moved by the Holy Spirit.

The Scriptures arent equal to tradition since tradition has a tendency to be distorted over time, change, some tradition are unscriptural, and no one knows the total extent of authentic tradition. The Scriptures are totally preserved in 66 books. Christ condemned some of tradition, but Christ never condemned the Holy Scriptures. Since tradition varies over time and the Bible doesnt, the Bible is superior to all tradition. Sola Fide is that by grace alone God can save a soul and thats fact expressed explicitly by Paul and others in the NT. I dont believe in once saved always saved.

Catholic #1: BTW

For those of you that are conspiracy nuts, how do you know that Peroutka is really a protestant now, not a Catholic ? Paranoia eventually leads to trusting in nothing or no one.

Response: A Conspiracy is mentioned in the Bible (Ezekiel 22:25, Acts 23:13). Satan is in a conspiracy to ruin the world, but in the end; he will fail. Legitimate conspiracies ought to be praised not condemned like John Loftus, Eric Jon Phelps and other proving that the Vatican allowed Nazis war criminals to come to South America, U.S.A., and other places in the Vatican Ratline. Peroutka is an Arminian Christian. Theres no need for paranoia, but there isnt a need for doubting the New World Order plan as well.

Catholic #1: Christ founded a Church, not a Jesus-and-me-only ism. Read Paul's letters carefully.

Response: Christ founded a Church with Christ as its head, but not with Popes, nuns, monks, priests, etc. that existed from the obsolete Judaism or from pagan religion. Read Paul and Jesus words carefully. Christ wanted the church to be simplistic not massive expansive with pomp and public, unnecessary religious ceremonies as we see today not only in Catholicism but in Charismatic circles and apostate Protestants and apostate Baptist churches.

Catholic #1: The pagan fallacy, once taken its natural and full route, can invalidate all Christianity. There are several books that allege that Jewish and Christian beliefs are nothing more than pagan beliefs, mixed with Middle eastern religions and Greek.

Response: Satan using false faiths counterfeited items of authentic truth and some aspects of Christianity have roots in Judaism. On the other hand, Christianity is unique from all faith since its the only faith that believes that one man saved the sins of the word and that mankind cant be saved by works, but by grace through faith.

All pagan religions subscribe to the belief that works will save a man, but his works can never save a man. Also, Christianity is unique in saying that Jesus Christ is the only way to Heaven and Jesus saved all of the sins of the entire world of all time not Buddha, Muhammad, Hinduism, etc. Books existing slandering Christianity doesnt validate their opinions anyway. Theres books slandering Bible-Believers, but that doesnt make them factually true.

Catholic #1: The everything-we-dont-like-is-a-pagan-religion is poor on any archeology, history and religious thought.

Response: Wow, God said dont follow in the way of the heathen. The Bible says that dont follow sinful. Thats paganism. Archaeology, history, and religious thought have proven the pagan influences in Catholicism and you refuse to accept that. For example, the Popes mitre is from the pagan religions of Babylon and has no scriptural validation. Monks existed in pagan religions globally, but has no scriptural validation. The circular mass is circular and claims to have the blood and body of Christ and a circular wafer is found in many ancient pagan religions (proven by historian Wilkinson), but it has no scriptural validation.

The Pope itself has no scriptural validation and Popes existed in Babylon and many Roman Emperors were called Pappa. Paganism ought to be rejected as wrong not covered up. It's not about what we don't like, it's about what God doesn't like. God doesn't like repeating prayer, unscriptural doctrine, calling a man Holy Father, and other things. I follow God not men.

Catholic #1: Unlike Watchman, you all disagree with me based on your own misconceptions, not what I really bleieve, yet each one of you acts as your own "pope" in what is biblical and who is or isnt a Christian, based on your own narrow and undereducated mind set.

Response: I have no misconceptions about Catholicism. Watchman is Watchman and tried to call me a smearer when I exposed his pal Ronald Reagan (that fraud) and I know all about Catholic belief. I dont act as my own Pope since God gave us a mind to question things. God gave us a spirit to discern things and God gave us a soul so he could save us. Questioning and exposing false doctrines is not evil or a sin. I dont act as a Pope. The Pope lets people bow to him, the Pope claims that he is the Vicar of Christ, centuries ago many Pope claimed to be God or take the place of God which is blasphemous, and the Pope is called Holy Father, when only God is called Holy Father (John 17:11).

Catholic #1: Look at the sites I noted for a fair opinion.

I always looked at pro-Catholic sites before and my mind is made up to follow Gods word and not unscriptural addition tradition.

Catholic #1: I do thank you all, for your attacks have deepened my Catholic faith and I have gotten even depper into scripture!!! I also am a Promo Director now for a Catholic Apolgist group!!!

Response: I thank you for deepening my faith in Jesus Christ. Ive gotten deep in Scripture as well. It doesnt matter if you are a Promo Director for a Catholic Apologist group, since Ive debated racist, 7th Adventists, Oneness, Muslims, JWs, Freemasons, etc. before. This is nothing new.

Catholic #1: BTW- Bible Christian Society, tapes and CD's for $1, if you are interested in the Catholic view from a strict, Bible-only study! No Fathers, little to no Cathecis or Encyclicals

Response: Sorry, Im not interested.

Catholic #1: I am a believer. I find the Catholic faith is in complete harmony with the RSV, Douy-Rheims and KJV!

Response: You are living in false doctrine in the Catholic religion. It is in harmony with the RSV and Douy-Rheims, but not with the KJV that eloquently refutes much of Roman Catholic distortions of scripture.

Catholic #1: Thank you all for increasing my faith. I continually pray for you, that Satan not use you as a willing patsy for his will.

Response: Thank you for increasing my faith. I dont need prayer to follow Roman Catholicism. Satan is not using me as a patsy for his will. The Roman Catholic Church is false by the evidence.

Catholic #1: Watchman, I can at least respect you/I differences brother in Christ!!!!!

Response: What can I say. Watchman is Watchman. Hes pro-Confederacy and denies that Freemasonry influenced the Confederacy and Union side of the War. For example, the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite was based in Charleston, South Carolina and Albert Pike and many Confederate leaders were Masons just like General Grant. Anton Chaitkin documented a strong Masonry presence in the South as well. Watchman mocked me by questioning the existence of the Knights of the Golden Circle when both Union and Confederate leaders were members and scholars having proven their and the Jesuits involvement in the death of Abraham Lincoln before. He makes the mistake by claiming that I judge all Confederates as evil, which I dont.

I only judge the leadership of the Confederacy like Union as controlled by the Elite in the Civil War. Nothing more or less. I go on the Bush Revealed Forum and writes articles, but I dont agree with everything he believes in as well. He mocks the Jesuit conspiracy fact, but heres some facts that Watchman and Catholic #1 dont want you to know:

Fact: Jesuit priest Bernhard Staempfle helped Hitler write Mein Kampf proven by author Edmond Paris and Otto Strasser was one of the founders of the Nazi Party. Even Hitler said that he modeled the SS after the Jesuit Order.
Fact: Honorary 33rd Degree Freemason Ronald Reagan was cozy with Boston College President Jesuit J. Donald Monan. Reagan not only passed abortion in California in the 1960s and was anti-gun, but also allowed pro-abortion Supreme Court justice Sandra Day OConnor to exist and other bad political policies.
Fact: Hitler signed Concordant with Vatican Cardinal Pacelli in 1933 with the help of Knight of Malta Franz von Papen. Hitler was never excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church at all.
Fact:
Fact: Many Jesuits and the Vatican supported Latin American dictators to oppress the people there.
Fact: Jesuit Priest and 33rd Degree Freemason Joseph Rettinger create the powerful and sinister Bilderberger Group.
Fact: Jesuit priest William J. Fulco wrote the script for the unscriptural/occultic film of the Passion of the Christ.
Fact: Knight of Malta Dr.John J. DeGioia is a Georgetown/Jesuit trained person whos part of the Elite by being a member of the U.S. National Commission for UNESCO, Chair of its Education Committee, according to the webpage he "represents Georgetown" being a member of the World Economic Forum and the Council on Foreign Relations.
Fact: Jesuit Georgetown University trained Bill Clinton and he even went with Jesuit Richard McSorley on a trip to Olso, Norway since both opposed the Vietnam War. Clinton is obvious a person who is pro-abortion and even vetoes a ban on partial birth abortion when the majority of the American people opposed that type of abortion.

*Not to mention that the refuse to look at the Vaticans Secret Societies of the Opus Dei, Knights of Columbus, Knights of Malta, etc. I hope you convert to real Christianity Catholic #1.

By TruthSeeker24 (Timothy).